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Metal Biker said:
The Red Bull is the new standard. Before it was the Mercedes. Before that it was McLaren, Ferrari, Williams etc. Dominant teams inspire others to make rule changes, find innovations.

Once a car becomes so dominant as a result nobody can catch them, rulings about car designs are removed/introduced, the teams have to adapt to those new rules, some do better than others and it becomes a level playing field again. This is how the sport has been since its inception, why its now suddenly a talking point as being 'bad' is baffling.
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It’s not, at least no more than it has been before.
 
TinFoilHat said:
Senna, Prost, Schumacher, Vettel, Alonso, Hamilton and Verstappen have that **** streak. All of them have done some shady moves in their time to win titles. I can see Max winning a few more as well with it.
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Max is something very special for me, the mistakes have gone and he is now a relentless, magnificent driver at the top of his game in one of the finest cars seen in decades.

Did you see Max's dad's face when Perez was celebrating with the pit crew, Joss is and was a ****.

All the greats are cunts, Prost was a very decent guy out of the car but when needed he was a hyperbole, egotistical ****.
 
Metal Biker said:
The Red Bull is the new standard. Before it was the Mercedes. Before that it was McLaren, Ferrari, Williams etc. Dominant teams inspire others to make rule changes, find innovations.

Once a car becomes so dominant as a result nobody can catch them, rulings about car designs are removed/introduced, the teams have to adapt to those new rules, some do better than others and it becomes a level playing field again. This is how the sport has been since its inception, why its now suddenly a talking point as being 'bad' is baffling.
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Adrian Newey is a genius, he was at Williams, Ferrari, Mclaren and now Red Bull.

Get Newey and get titles.
 
meltonblue said:
That’s exactly the article I was referring to though! Have you actually read it rather than just the headline? As Wolffs actual opinion on it is exactly the same as yours!

Here’s another article based on the exact same press conference and quotes, this time with a more accurate headline…

www.gpfans.com

Wolff: Mercedes can't complain about Red Bull dominating F1 'meritocracy'

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Or this one too -

www.skysports.com

Mercedes team principal Toto Wolff has no problem with Red Bull bossing new F1 season: 'It's a meritocracy'

Mercedes team principal and CEO Toto Wolff says he has no problem with Red Bull bossing the Formula 1 season, calling success in the sport a meritocracy; Red Bull have won 12 of the last 13 F1 races, with Lewis Hamilton describing them as the fastest I have ever seen
www.skysports.com www.skysports.com

If he’d said what Horner said when Mercedes were dominating, then I’d completely agree with you. He hasn’t though, in fact the opposite.
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Read it mate. It’s what you wanna read imho. Wolff came out after there’s hardly any domination from RB yet. And that is typical from German managers in sports in the past. He said the words and later clarify it. Now look at Klopp at Liverpool. Mention City and money when he thinks it suits him. Not the sportmenship Germans like to represent.
 
Metal Biker said:
The Red Bull is the new standard. Before it was the Mercedes. Before that it was McLaren, Ferrari, Williams etc. Dominant teams inspire others to make rule changes, find innovations.

Once a car becomes so dominant as a result nobody can catch them, rulings about car designs are removed/introduced, the teams have to adapt to those new rules, some do better than others and it becomes a level playing field again. This is how the sport has been since its inception, why its now suddenly a talking point as being 'bad' is baffling.
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The problem I've got with Red Bull is that they effectively broke F1's FFP rules by overspending on engineers for the current regulations. Any team that gets the major change right dominates until the next major change, as from that point on they can all only make incremental improvements. Cheating for year 1 and paying the fine therefore has a reward that last for several seasons.

I'm hoping that the sliding scale spending cap need on previous season performance may help to even things out, although the early indications are it won't for this season.

Doesn't help that Ferrari have gone back to pre-Schumacher box of frogs approach to F1, whereby even if they have the best car in a race, a strategist will find a way to mess it up or the mechanics will decide to fit 3 wet tyres and 1 hard slick
 
Metal Biker said:
The Red Bull is the new standard. Before it was the Mercedes. Before that it was McLaren, Ferrari, Williams etc. Dominant teams inspire others to make rule changes, find innovations.

Once a car becomes so dominant as a result nobody can catch them, rulings about car designs are removed/introduced, the teams have to adapt to those new rules, some do better than others and it becomes a level playing field again. This is how the sport has been since its inception, why its now suddenly a talking point as being 'bad' is baffling.
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All of the above is what I love about F1.
 
bluesince76 said:
The problem I've got with Red Bull is that they effectively broke F1's FFP rules by overspending on engineers for the current regulations. Any team that gets the major change right dominates until the next major change, as from that point on they can all only make incremental improvements. Cheating for year 1 and paying the fine therefore has a reward that last for several seasons.

I'm hoping that the sliding scale spending cap need on previous season performance may help to even things out, although the early indications are it won't for this season.

Doesn't help that Ferrari have gone back to pre-Schumacher box of frogs approach to F1, whereby even if they have the best car in a race, a strategist will find a way to mess it up or the mechanics will decide to fit 3 wet tyres and 1 hard slick
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F1 FFP laws are impossible to manage, how on earth do you know what Ferrari , Honda, and Mercedes spend, it's far too easy for companies of that size to hide payments on development.
 
bluesince76 said:
The problem I've got with Red Bull is that they effectively broke F1's FFP rules by overspending on engineers for the current regulations. Any team that gets the major change right dominates until the next major change, as from that point on they can all only make incremental improvements. Cheating for year 1 and paying the fine therefore has a reward that last for several seasons.

I'm hoping that the sliding scale spending cap need on previous season performance may help to even things out, although the early indications are it won't for this season.

Doesn't help that Ferrari have gone back to pre-Schumacher box of frogs approach to F1, whereby even if they have the best car in a race, a strategist will find a way to mess it up or the mechanics will decide to fit 3 wet tyres and 1 hard slick
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Being a Manchester City fan, I despise 'spending' caps.

Limit investment, that'll improve the sport!
 
meltonblue said:
It’s not, at least no more than it has been before.
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So then why are we all talking about it? Why have there been Hamilton/Mercedes fans lamenting at Red Bull's 'dominance' as being a bad indicator for the future of the sport?
 
Keeper! said:
Max is something very special for me, the mistakes have gone and he is now a relentless, magnificent driver at the top of his game in one of the finest cars seen in decades.

Did you see Max's dad's face when Perez was celebrating with the pit crew, Joss is and was a ****.

All the greats are cunts, Prost was a very decent guy out of the car but when needed he was a hyperbole, egotistical ****.
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Joss wasn't a great.
 
Looby blue said:
Joss wasn't a great.
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Far from it, but you can still be a poor ****, just like he was on Sunday.

He had a face that looked like he was chewing a wasp when Perez was celebrating, totally and utterly out of order, but he knew exactly what he was doing.
 
eversince 76 said:
Read it mate. It’s what you wanna read imho. Wolff came out after there’s hardly any domination from RB yet. And that is typical from German managers in sports in the past. He said the words and later clarify it. Now look at Klopp at Liverpool. Mention City and money when he thinks it suits him. Not the sportmenship Germans like to represent.
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How on earth have you read his comments and come to that conclusion?! He literally says Red Bull deserve it and the sport is a meritocracy.
 
Metal Biker said:
So then why are we all talking about it? Why have there been Hamilton/Mercedes fans lamenting at Red Bull's 'dominance' as being a bad indicator for the future of the sport?
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The last couple of pages, because some have completely misinterpreted Wolffs comments about it.

In terms of the lamenting from Mercedes’ fans, that’s no different to fans of other teams previously or when Ferrari were doing similar. It’s always going to happen and the answer is always the same - it’s up to the others to develop their cars better and it’s completely integral to the sport as a whole.
 
meltonblue said:
The last couple of pages, because some have completely misinterpreted Wolffs comments about it.

In terms of the lamenting from Mercedes’ fans, that’s no different to fans of other teams previously or when Ferrari were doing similar. It’s always going to happen and the answer is always the same - it’s up to the others to develop their cars better and it’s completely integral to the sport as a whole.
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I don't mean just on bluemoon, the whole F1 community on media has had the same comments being raised.

But basically, you agree, there is no 'crisis' in F1 just because Red Bull are on top atm.
 
Metal Biker said:
Oh.

OH!

My bad. Thought you were correcting me.
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No, I was just disagreeing with your initial point about it becoming more of a talking point, it happens every time someone becomes dominant :)

Car development is an integral part of the sport and it is a meritocracy. If one team builds a car that’s head and shoulders above the rest, then good for them, they should be applauded and deserve all the success they get. It’s entirely on the other teams to catch up and do better themselves (which is exactly what Wolff said too).
 
Mercedes have said their new car updates will close the Gap on Red bull, but it needs more time, WHAT !
From what I can make out from the last season's car was the last 3 or 4 races Mercedes was flying and pushing Red bull, Ok red bull had already won both driver and constructors championships so the results could have been a false dawn,

So Mercedes has gone backward and Redbull with reduced pre-season testing down to cheating and overspending are even quicker this season than Mercedes,

Mercedes has fucked up big time and Lewis will walk before the end of the season
 
He’ll see the season out and then either retire or, despite Horner saying he can’t see how they could fit him in, move to Red Bull.
 
Perhaps people saying that domination in Formula One is normal don't realise just how bad it's been in the last 10 years.

Looking at the drivers championship this is how the championships have gone through the years.


1990 - Contested
1991 - Contested
1992 - Dominated
1993 - Dominated
1994 - Contested
1995 - Dominated
1996 - Dominated (team mates)
1997 - Contested
1998 - Contested
1999 - Contested

6 x Contested
1 X inter team battle
3 x Dominated


2000 - Contested
2001 - Dominated
2002 - Dominated
2003 - Contested
2004 - Dominated
2005 - Dominated* ish
2006 - Contested
2007 - Contested
2008 - Contested
2009 - Contested

6 x contested
1 X sort of dominated
3 x Dominated

2010 - Contested
2011 - Dominated
2012 - Contested
2013 - Dominated
2014 - Dominated (team mates)
2015 - Dominated
2016 - Dominated (team mates)
2017 - Dominated
2018 - Dominated
2019 - Dominated

2 x contested
2 x inter team battle
6 x Dominated

2020 - Dominated
2021 - Contested
2022 - Dominated

1 X contested
2 x Dominated
 
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