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Metal Biker said:
NOT ALLOWED!

Don't get me wrong, nobody becomes a seven-time WC without having talent to back it. And maybe I am pooh-poohing Anthony's determination in seeing his son reach the pinnacle of motorsport a little, but i'm an asshole! :)

It's mostly his fanbase I find issue with. They make out like nobody has ever done what he's done in F1 before or never could again. Ol' Schumi himself said "Records are made to be broken'. He broke Fangios, Lewis broke his, someone will break Lewis's. I don't find him as bad as Schumacher or Prost, or Verstroppen right now, i'm just kind of meh about him.

Personally my favourites have always been Senna, Lauda, Mansell, Hill (Both), Alonso and now Vettel in some regard. His is a story in which he should have been a seven-time champion too, IMHO.
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Hard to have nothing but admiration for all do those. Not sure I’d put Vettel on that list personally, imo his talent isn’t on that level. He’s on a few rungs below - a lucky guy who without that car and team around him would be a one time champion.

Alonso is a funny one. Two world championships isn’t to be sniffed at but his talent deserved more really. Partly his own fault perhaps for pissing off everyone he’s ever worked with. He’s box office entertainment though.

Damon Hill was my favourite driver as a kid, for the same reasons Jenson and Lando are as an adult I suppose. Something of the dignified English gentleman racer about them, I’ve never liked the loud oikish types.

Prost…before my time but it’s hard not to admire his pure calculated strategic approach. I’m butchering the quote but didn’t he say something like the best way of winning is to drive as slow as possible while still being at the front as it minimises the risk.

It’s a bit soulless but you can’t knock the pure logic behind it. And seems like a very likeable and genuine bloke.
 
Johnny Mars Bar said:
“The right support in place” is doing a lot of heavy lifting here.

Hamilton’s story is incredible and in my view him and his family deserve every penny that’s come with the success.

But there are undoubtedly kids out there with the desire and talent to make it who’ll never get a chance because of the financial barriers. More so than probably any other sport.

F1 will always be to a large extent a posh boy’s sport.

There’s other categories of motorsport that are a lot more accessible of course. Touring cars have more working class lads, and NASCAR over in Magaland is proud of its working class heritage.
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Completely agree. To go from where he was to 8 time WC is an amazing feat.
 
Metal Biker said:
NOT ALLOWED!

Don't get me wrong, nobody becomes a seven-time WC without having talent to back it. And maybe I am pooh-poohing Anthony's determination in seeing his son reach the pinnacle of motorsport a little, but i'm an asshole! :)

It's mostly his fanbase I find issue with. They make out like nobody has ever done what he's done in F1 before or never could again. Ol' Schumi himself said "Records are made to be broken'. He broke Fangios, Lewis broke his, someone will break Lewis's. I don't find him as bad as Schumacher or Prost, or Verstroppen right now, i'm just kind of meh about him.

Personally my favourites have always been Senna, Lauda, Mansell, Hill (Both), Alonso and now Vettel in some regard. His is a story in which he should have been a seven-time champion too, IMHO.
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**F1 Nerd alert**

There's three F1 champions with the surname of Hill. Please be specific.

;)
 
Johnny Mars Bar said:
There’s widely available footage online of Lewis as a tiny little kid in karts ripping his peers to pieces. It’s clear as day from that alone that he was leagues above so it’s no surprise McLaren snapped him up.

I suppose an equivalent would be those videos of, given this is a City forum, Foden running rings around the other kids when he was in primary school playing in Reddish then getting snapped up by City.

The difference being the cost of sending your 7 year old kid to play on the local field in Stockport on a Saturday is some boots and a Happy Meal after. Junior karting costs tens and tens of thousands of pounds, if not even more. It’s a massive barrier and you’ve got to give credit to Anthony Hamilton for even entertaining his kid’s dream.

Whichever way you look at it, it’s pure Hollywood stuff.

And hey, I say this as someone who until he was shafted in 2021, was never really a big Lewis fan. Jenson was my favourite driver and though I’ve always been and always will be a McLaren fan, in that era I was cold towards Lewis as he usually got the better of JB!

21 changed things a lot for me, the injustice of that flipped a switch and since then I’ve desperately wanted Lewis to succeed in the later phase of his career.
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I’m with you on your last para. I wasn’t particularly a fan up to that point (and didn’t dislike Red Bull as much as I did after either).
 
The Future’s Blue! said:
Completely agree. To go from where he was to 8 time WC is an amazing feat.
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Seven. He didn't win 2021 and he shouldn't have won 2008, but that result still stands, so it's seven. Saying otherwise doesn't make it true.

(If you believe Abu Dhabi needs striking off the record, then so does Singapore 2008)
 
Metal Biker said:
Seven. He didn't win 2021 and he shouldn't have won 2008, but that result still stands, so it's seven. Saying otherwise doesn't make it true.

(If you believe Abu Dhabi needs striking off the record, then so does Singapore 2008)
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Dependant on your thinking, you are probably right, in a way, but both incidents are not comparable. Massa’s loss of the win was an indirect result of what another team did to get the win, nothing to do with Hamilton, but backed up by Eccleston, who we all know, not wanting Hamilton anywhere near a title win, ever.

The Abu Dhabi win for Verstappen was completely different, contrived by an F1 who had been taken over by a group that didn’t want to uphold sporting integrity, but wanted entertainment and would go to any lengths to get their 93:20 moment. We all want those moments, but only within the rules of the game, I’d have thought.

Because you have had to accept that Hamilton should have gone on to win that race, and the Championship, you’ve gone down a rabbit hole to make your bias perspective fit your narrative.

Are you Bernie Ecclestone in disguise?
 
The Future’s Blue! said:
Dependant on your thinking, you are probably right,
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Thank you!

I don't need to read the rest of your nonsense, I AM correct, stop your internal dialogue, you're wrong.

K? K!

The only ones who screwed Hamilton over in Abu Dhabi were Mercedes for not pitting under the safety car. Had they done that, nothing else would have mattered.
 
Metal Biker said:
Thank you!

I don't need to read the rest of your nonsense, I AM correct, stop your internal dialogue, you're wrong.

K? K!

The only ones who screwed Hamilton over in Abu Dhabi were Mercedes for not pitting under the safety car. Had they done that, nothing else would have mattered.
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Fucking hell, another fucking lunatic.

Their own organisation have told you, and you choose not to believe them.

Crank!
 
The Future’s Blue! said:
Fucking hell, another fucking lunatic.

Their own organisation have told you, and you choose not to believe them.

Crank!
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Their own organisation also agree Singapore '08 should be stricken from the record and all points invalid, which hands the title to Massa for that year. Also F1 was owned by a completely different company in 2021, so I don't see what Ecclestone had to do with it.

You gotta love Hamilton fanboys; Can't debate and then start getting personal with insults. The Rags of F1 fandoms.
 
Metal Biker said:
Their own organisation also agree Singapore '08 should be stricken from the record and all points invalid, which hands the title to Massa for that year. Also F1 was owned by a completely different company in 2021, so I don't see what Ecclestone had to do with it.

You gotta love Hamilton fanboys; Can't debate and then start getting personal with insults.
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Just, stop. Please.

Edit: I fully understand you now. Thank you.
 
Metal Biker said:
I was the other way. I backed him since he joined the first team, 2008 felt a little sour (Singapore '08) but I lost all respect for him in 2015 and again in 2016. I don't doubt his talent, he's the same vein as Vettel in my eyes. However Seb became more likeable as he aged and won more by that point, whereas Lewis just seemed to become insufferable to listen to. And they both entered the sport in 2007. Lewis is now finding out though that moving to Ferrari post-Schumi is career suicide.

Lewis is still the youngest person signed to an F1 team; that sort of advantage is obviously going to reap rewards and Lewis's own natural talent ensured it. But make no mistake, it's not like his mum was handwashing school shirts in the early hours of the morning whilst his Dad toiled away at two jobs to afford his first go-kart. They had money and invested a lot of it for their son's dream, who was able to use the platform to get noticed by the right people who then bankrolled his career from a very young age. I can't think of anyone else who has had such a privileged start in F1.

Unlike maybe Stroll, whose Daddy bought him an entire F1 team to nuture a talent that wasn't there. :)
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To be fair Stroll isn't that bad a driver. He'll never be an elite driver but he'll make a decent living out of the sport however he will always be remembered as the driver whose dad bankrolled him and bought an F1 team for him to be a F1 driver.

Mind you that's not as bad as Pastor Maldonado who had The Venezuela government bankroll him to get into F1 and is remembered as being one of the shittest drivers ever to race in F1
 
smevchenko said:
www.skysports.com

Christian Horner: Red Bull F1 team principal sacked after 20 years in charge of Milton Keynes outfit

Christian Horner has been sacked as Red Bull team principal following the British Grand Prix; Laurent Mekies, who was in charge of Racing Bulls, will replace Horner with immediate effect; watch the Belgian GP live on Sky Sports from July 25-27
www.skysports.com www.skysports.com

Horner sacked!
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Despite how much they are struggling and the scandal last year, this is pretty incredible.

He’s been the principal since day 1 of RBR. 18 months ago they’d have thrown any amount of money possible at him to keep him around.

Even if Max was threatening to leave, this is a crazy gamble - Max won’t stay unless the car is good enough anyway and that’s only partly Horner’s responsibility.
 
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