FA confirm Southgate will stay on until after Euro 2024 (p 101)

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Mr Kobayashi said:
And yet one sub won a penalty and another was inches away with his freekick.

I'd love to see what tactics you have up your sleeve that he could have tried with the players at his disposal.
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Come on mate, you can’t really believe that Southgate did the best with what he had available? Granted, back 4 is what it is and picks itself. But once you decide that you’re going with 2 defensive midfielders who are scared of going forward it restricts the whole pattern of play and leads to a cautious, uninventive approach which gets you exactly where it got us.
 
Mr Kobayashi said:
He's a centre back, it isn't his job to create. Bobby Moore used to punt it up field.

He's an excellent carrier of the ball out from defence and only John Stones is better than him as far as English defenders go. But you can only do it if there is space to go into.

He packs pace and has a poor turning circle and has been caught out stepping in to midfield in the past.

It was the right call to go with him this tournament because no one stepped up in an England shirt to take his place. Coady and Dier are both troubled by same lack of pace.

Quicker partners for Stones like Tomori and Guehi should get an opportunity to stake their claim now.
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Sorry but I do not accept that we don't have a potentially better replacement than a player who couldn't even get into a struggling united side.

Excellent carrier of the ball out? All he did first half was pass it sideways, he looked like a player who was trying to use time up for a team that was winning 1-0.
 
coolcity said:
Could have changed things much earlier, and for me a panicky defence was screaming out for somebody like Grealish to go and have a run at them.
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Why would he change things earlier?

England were by far the better side after half time. They were on top and creating chances, got the equaliser.

As soon as France got the second -against the run of play- Southgate made his changes. One immediately won a penalty as France were panicking.

If anything, he made too many changes. The first pair were fine, but after Rashford came on as well the shape of the team had to change and they lost 5 minutes they didn't have adjusting.
 
coolcity said:
Could have changed things much earlier, and for me a panicky defence was screaming out for somebody like Grealish to go and have a run at them.
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Possibly but he may have got goal side and missed. Needed an extra striker so naturally Rashford replaced Phil and Mount's direct run won the penalty.

His subs did have a positive impact so it's harsh to find fault with the options he picked.
 
Mr Kobayashi said:
So elaborate then.
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I'm not a football manager, and neither are you. Southgate is... and a poor one at that. As one poster said, when it's shit or bust and you're on the way out what have you got to lose, just go for it. #jimmyglass
He didn't and we are out... again. His management CV is poor, his playing career is unremarkable and he is a serial loser.
If you think he should be managing our national team, I'm very happy for you. I don't.
 
coolcity said:
Sorry but I do not accept that we don't have a potentially better replacement than a player who couldn't even get into a struggling united side.

Excellent carrier of the ball out? All he did first half was pass it sideways, he looked like a player who was trying to use time up for a team that was winning 1-0.
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So who is the better replacement?

Yes. There aren't many players in that position who carry it out better from defence, even less who started their senior career as CBs.
 
Kinkybyname said:
I'm not a football manager, and neither are you. Southgate is... and a poor one at that. As one poster said, when it's shit or bust and you're on the way out what have you got to lose, just go for it. #jimmyglass
He didn't and we are out... again. His management CV is poor, his playing career is unremarkable and he is a serial loser.
If you think he should be managing our national team, I'm very happy for you. I don't.
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If you can't think of alternative match winning tactic maybe there isn't one.
 
Mr Kobayashi said:
He's a centre back, it isn't his job to create. Bobby Moore used to punt it up field.

He's an excellent carrier of the ball out from defence and only John Stones is better than him as far as English defenders go. But you can only do it if there is space to go into.

He packs pace and has a poor turning circle and has been caught out stepping in to midfield in the past.

It was the right call to go with him this tournament because no one stepped up in an England shirt to take his place. Coady and Dier are both troubled by same lack of pace.

Quicker partners for Stones like Tomori and Guehi should get an opportunity to stake their claim now.
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He’s actually shit at carrying the ball. He would dribble well but he’s taking the ball into his own players space. It’s pointless, a pass would have been quicker & now you’ve got 2 players next to each other. He’s not the only one but it frustrates the fuck out of me but it was better than his wild hoofs to Fodens head.
 
Mr Kobayashi said:
They were both tired and Saka was carrying a knock. They were becoming less effective before he took them off.

Mount won a penalty off the bench.

The only issue with the subs is that they came too late.

Why would you take off your left back when you haven't got anyone to play in that position and defend against a fast winger?

Or the biggest aerial threat at set pieces.

Only bitters think like that.
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Where did I say anything about Mount coming on? If Foden was tired, it was probably a consequence to the tactic of spraying long balls for him to chase. However, are you suggesting Shaw and Maguire weren’t tired? If you honestly think we’re more likely to equalise (that we had to do) with Shaw and Maguire on the pitch than Saka and Foden, you’re a clown in my humble opinion.

As for Maguire being an aerial threat…he’s a bigger threat to England than France.

As for the Bertie comment, id suggest you fuck off. Rag twat.
 
Just been looking back at our results over the last couple of decades. As far as I can tell we have never won a game, group or knockout, against a team ranked higher than us at the time.

Anyone got a comment on that? I could well be wrong.

Edit to add: Forgot that we beat Argentina 1-0 in 2002, but that's over two decades ago.
 
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Brightwell’s left peg said:
Where did I say anything about Mount coming on? If Foden was tired, it was probably a consequence to the tactic of spraying long balls for him to chase. However, are you suggesting Shaw and Maguire weren’t tired? If you honestly think we’re more likely to equalise (that we had to do) with Shaw and Maguire on the pitch than Saka and Foden, you’re a clown in my humble opinion.

As for Maguire being an aerial threat…he’s a bigger threat to England than France.

As for the Bertie comment, id suggest you fuck off. Rag twat.
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Lol. Do you remember when we lost at Ajax under Mancini after making several changes to the point Clichy was playing CB in a back three?

Saka or Foden and left-back would have been more likely than not to be the same. We were chasing an equaliser not a winner, if we went to extra time with a patchwork defence we wouldn't have been going to penalties.

Shuffling players into multiple positions in the space of a few minutes creates confusion in defence.

We didn't have an equivalent of Wout Weghorst, a big striker to pump the ball up to and dominate. So Maguire played that role. It's not rocket science.

As Stones got injured at the end, it doesn't make any sense to say maguire should have been subbed.

Bertie fits, why do you care so much about which club they play for? It's an irrelevant selection criteria.
 
SCEtoAUX said:
Just been looking back at our results over the last couple of decades. As far as I can tell we have never won a game, group or knockout, against a team ranked higher than us at the time.

Anyone got a comment on that? I could well be wrong.
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My only comment is that FIFA rankings are completely meaningless so it doesn’t really matter.
 
cheekybids said:
He’s actually shit at carrying the ball. He would dribble well but he’s taking the ball into his own players space. It’s pointless, a pass would have been quicker & now you’ve got 2 players next to each other. He’s not the only one but it frustrates the fuck out of me but it was better than his wild hoofs to Fodens head.
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That’s not how carrying the ball out of defence works.

The whole point is that by taking it past the first line of defenders you force a midfielder to abandon whoever he is marking to deal with you, which frees someone else up.

If other players on the team don’t move to find the space you’ve created that’s their fault.

Peps been preaching and explaining this for 15 years.
 
SCEtoAUX said:
Just been looking back at our results over the last couple of decades. As far as I can tell we have never won a game, group or knockout, against a team ranked higher than us at the time.

Anyone got a comment on that? I could well be wrong.
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Even if you factor in the Euros I doubt it looks much better. A fading Germany last year in the last 16 ?
 
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