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So salah could of been on the goal line and be onside because if skimmed the wolves player head!? Ridiculous decision and roles reversed that goal by salah would of been disallowed
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It's absolutely ridiculous. The whole point of off-side was to stop goal-hanging over a hundred years ago. Absolutely clear. Sure some mistakes were made, but at least you know they were just stupid mistakes.
Now, you are allowing "goal-hanging" because of some dumb rules for what purpose exactly? And it is now more subjective because you are letting Dean decide things like: deliberate play? did he touch it? header? off the ground? Mike fucking Dean. Known for making strange decisions as a referee.
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I am a supporter of VAR, but only if it is used properly by fair minded and competent officials. It would seem though that we have at least two instances where there is a difference in how the technology is implemented at Liverpool and Salford. How can that be? It just blows my mind that this is allowed without question or challenge from the other clubs. Who sanctions that this is ok? The PL? PIGMOL?
The disallowed goal for Wolves was the most blatant piece of match manipulation I have seen. Wolves score, Referee looks to his right and raises his arm for a moment. Linesman raises the offside flag, Goal disallowed as there is 'no evidence' to over rule the linesmans flag. At least 10 minutes later an explanation that the corner kick taker was offside but no pictures to show that he was. That is just so fucking wrong.
The disallowed goal for Wolves was the most blatant piece of match manipulation I have seen. Wolves score, Referee looks to his right and raises his arm for a moment. Linesman raises the offside flag, Goal disallowed as there is 'no evidence' to over rule the linesmans flag. At least 10 minutes later an explanation that the corner kick taker was offside but no pictures to show that he was. That is just so fucking wrong.
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He has actually mastered it he looks & sounds like the epitome of a bin dipper
I don’t know if it’s been mentioned, but silva benefitted against Villa on a similar one with Mings mid controlling a ball.
I am afraid that one is not on VAR/ Madley/ Liverpool or Salah but the rules of the game.
I’m pretty sure the same fans who think it is wrong now, where ok when Silva scored and the Liverpool fans who where complaining that Silva was offside are ok now.
It’s a problem throughout football, where for me the rule is wrong (and for the record, I didn’t care when Silva scored against the stubborn A Villa defence, so I’m the same as everyone.
The second one is just so wrong, the idea of VAR is that we are not going off the line persons decision it gets checked.
VAR takes a lot of enjoyment from the game, but now to have areas where they say they cannot use it is a farce.
2 clubs benefitted from VAR/ dodgy decisions and the 2 the TV companies still want in the competition.
2 where right but harsh (Salah/ Everton offside) and 2 where laughable United’s pen and Wolves offside.
Expect nothing to change
I am afraid that one is not on VAR/ Madley/ Liverpool or Salah but the rules of the game.
I’m pretty sure the same fans who think it is wrong now, where ok when Silva scored and the Liverpool fans who where complaining that Silva was offside are ok now.
It’s a problem throughout football, where for me the rule is wrong (and for the record, I didn’t care when Silva scored against the stubborn A Villa defence, so I’m the same as everyone.
The second one is just so wrong, the idea of VAR is that we are not going off the line persons decision it gets checked.
VAR takes a lot of enjoyment from the game, but now to have areas where they say they cannot use it is a farce.
2 clubs benefitted from VAR/ dodgy decisions and the 2 the TV companies still want in the competition.
2 where right but harsh (Salah/ Everton offside) and 2 where laughable United’s pen and Wolves offside.
Expect nothing to change
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I reckon if the lino has seen him as offside then it is because he has used the coming-back-from-an-offside-position excuse which seems to be a catch-all reasoning they use whenever they are not sure. It is often followed by “and they never got themselves back onside” even when they appear level with the last defender. They say if a player is running from an offside position to pick up the ball in an onside position that this is classed as offside but what else can a corner-taker do, they have to be furthest forward in any case, it’s a stupid rule. It needs changing so that individual player can avoid this shite reasoning.
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Hmm... The subjectivity is in whether it was a deliberate play and if he was in control. Give Dean some subjective choice and he will go with the wrong one. But you are right. The rule is stupid.
The rule was changed wasn't it after the Bernardo goal? Not just making a deliberate play, but having to be in control? Or was it not coming back from off-side? Who the fuck knows? All too complicated.
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Probably pre SAF.
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I thought the rules had been amended after City scored v villa. So it meant Salah was off side.
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Yeah, but Mings did actually control it, just didn't realise Rodri was behind him. The Salah goal, no way did the defender have control.
It’s not about control it’s about making a deliberate attempt to intercept the ball, if he doesn’t but the ball touches the defender it’s offside. However, it’s a terrible rule, how could the defender ever know Salah was just offside, he had to make a decision. Technically Salah could be 10 yards off and if the defender deliberately attempts to clear the ball and slices the ball backwards the goal would stand.
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Yet another game where what has transpired on the pitch doesn't reflect the result. Are Liverpool the only ones who are gifted a second chance? I don't suppose EFC would fancy another go at The Swamp, or if we go out 1-0 I would fancy a replay.
I've not seen any footage but the RDAHMeedya courtesy of the DT suggest that VAR couldn't make up it's fuckin' mind one way or the other, so that's a goal for me, the Dipper tactical camera sez ONSIDE, but the flag waving goon sticks his flag up and that seals it. Did he flag straight away or did he flag when the goal went in? I understand they don't flag and wait till a goal is scored before they do anything, and I would have thought that VAR was a little more clinical than a lino. I watched a couple of games yesterday without VAR and the lino was three yards behind play when a couple of offside goals were given. The linesman is the last port of call these days.
I've not seen any footage but the RDAHMeedya courtesy of the DT suggest that VAR couldn't make up it's fuckin' mind one way or the other, so that's a goal for me, the Dipper tactical camera sez ONSIDE, but the flag waving goon sticks his flag up and that seals it. Did he flag straight away or did he flag when the goal went in? I understand they don't flag and wait till a goal is scored before they do anything, and I would have thought that VAR was a little more clinical than a lino. I watched a couple of games yesterday without VAR and the lino was three yards behind play when a couple of offside goals were given. The linesman is the last port of call these days.
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Anyway a replay is not such a bad thing ,Klopp already moaning - to be played just before the Wolves home game too correct?A bit of a win-win
VAR has corrected many incorrect decisions. It wasnt set up properly last night which is an entirely different discussion.
Last night was a great example of how officials treat certain teams in red. VAR should have corrected that. It didnt which is poor no doubt but it is our only chance of levelling the field. Without it the linesman decision from last night becomes the norm for certain teams.
They have no doubt cocked up it’s implementation to try to turn fans off it. Dont fall for it!! The alternative is much worse, its open season for officials then
Exactly. Which has now been proved totally corrupt (5 yards onside).
Striking similarities to this. Funny how those decisions from officials always seem to favour certain teams in red. VAR’s implementation has been deliberately messed up by the officials to turn public opinion off it. Don't fall for it. It didnt work yesterday and that is poor but its still our best chance of levelling the field
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Agreed. There are some valid issues around first/second phase. Last night wasnt it
The ball was initially played for salah. The defender plays it (because of salah run) but it still gets to salah so this is still the first phase. And should be called offside
Anyhow, they changed the interpretation after our goal against villa (Silva goal, Rodri off) to stop this. Unless you play in red, then this doesn't apply!
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