Facial recognition.

So it's only being used to identify and track known/wanted criminals that feature on the police database.

Surely by making such an overt and well publicised display of deploying it renders it completely useless in that case?
They have to put signs up saying you’re entering a facial recognition zone when one is in operation and also put it on social media in advance of when it’s happening. If anyone gets caught by this I’d be amazed. Talk about the lowest hanging fruit.
 
I feel like this is twat Larry Ellison's involvement.

I think I made a piece about his 'Palintr' company making inroads with the gov.
The soulless technocratic spineless bastard needs chaining to the third rail, along with Musk n Gates!
 
They have to put signs up saying you’re entering a facial recognition zone when one is in operation and also put it on social media in advance of when it’s happening. If anyone gets caught by this I’d be amazed. Talk about the lowest hanging fruit.
That's exactly my point.

What's the point of it in its current form?

All it will catch is the very thickest of low level scrotes wanted for minor offences who'll probably get no more than another asbo against them if they do caught via it.

Yet its no doubt cost millions/billions to develop and implement.
 
That's exactly my point.

What's the point of it in its current form?

All it will catch is the very thickest of low level scrotes wanted for minor offences who'll probably get no more than another asbo against them if they do caught via it.

Yet its no doubt cost millions/billions to develop and implement.
It's just come to me......it's like the old TV Licence Van scam.

Just an empty van with a few aerials on the top, driven around an estate with the story that it could not only detect the program you were watching, but where the TV was placed....all to get people to pay their licence fee by fear.
 
mmmm, let me call your bluff and raise you the spectre of the facial recognition confusing you with someone else.....mistakes happen with Tech.

and you think that doesnt go on anyway simply by plod mis remembering you or you mistakenly get called out in a Police Lineup? There is always this risk anyway. Facial recognition camera do NOT increase it. I wholeheartedly agree with facial recognition cameras in public places - a few years ago plod set them up between Kings Cross and St Pancras - I was working in a building right there and will have had my face 'scanned' every flaming day - anything that increases the catching of scallies and undesirables is a good thing.
 
and you think that doesnt go on anyway simply by plod mis remembering you or you mistakenly get called out in a Police Lineup? There is always this risk anyway. Facial recognition camera do NOT increase it. I wholeheartedly agree with facial recognition cameras in public places - a few years ago plod set them up between Kings Cross and St Pancras - I was working in a building right there and will have had my face 'scanned' every flaming day - anything that increases the catching of scallies and undesirables is a good thing.
If they don't increase the risk of mistake, then they also don't increase the risk of detection, so what's the point?
 
Sainsbury’s already make you feel like a criminal simply to get out of the place. The innocent being punished again for the guilty.
 
I called in to my local shop this morning to get some milk, it's owned by a Cambodian family, this morning it was the Wife behind the counter, she said to me Gentleman what does this mean and pushed her phone towards me the text said Nod slowly I thought WTF then realised she was doing a facial recognition thing and so i just nodded to her and she just gave me a thumbs up
 
I had a conversation with AI to clarify my thoughts on Palantir's involvement as I thought I was imagining it from a few years back.

This is what it told me:

"Tell me something, is Palantir part of the UK gov's latest drive in facial recognition surveillance?


Palantir's Role in the UK's Facial Recognition Surveillance Push

Yes, Palantir Technologies is actively involved in the UK government's expanding surveillance ecosystem, including integrations that support facial recognition and real-time monitoring. While Palantir isn't solely a facial recognition provider (it's more known for data analytics and AI platforms), its tools like the "Nectar" system enable police to fuse vast datasets—including biometrics—with live surveillance feeds, amplifying the UK's live facial recognition (LFR) rollout. This ties into the government's 2025 initiatives, such as deploying 10 new LFR vans for police and consulting on broader LFR regulations.


Here's a breakdown based on recent developments:Key Involvements and Projects
  • Nectar Project (Ongoing Pilot, 2025): Palantir has contracts with multiple UK police forces (e.g., Bedfordshire, Hertfordshire, Cambridgeshire, and others in the East of England) to build a real-time data-sharing network. This integrates sensitive info like political views, health records, and victim details to create 360-degree profiles for crime prediction and response. When linked to LFR cameras, it allows for rapid identification and tracking—e.g., flagging "high-harm" offenders in public spaces.


    Pilots have already identified at-risk youth, with national expansion eyed.
  • AI Tools for Mass Monitoring: A 2025 Amnesty International investigation revealed Palantir partnered with UK firm Babel Street to develop AI for mass surveillance, including facial recognition-enabled tracking of protesters (e.g., pro-Palestine demos) and migrants. This blurs military tech (like Israel's Lavender system, which Palantir supports) into domestic policing, enabling automated profiling across CCTV networks.


  • Strategic Government Partnership (September 2025): The UK announced a £1.5 billion deal with Palantir to boost military AI, including data fusion for intelligence and targeting—tech that could feed into civilian surveillance via shared MoD-police pipelines. While focused on defense, it creates 350 jobs and positions Palantir's London HQ as a hub for "data-centric" security tools.

Broader Context and "Barricade" Rumors

The UK's LFR expansion—aiming to catch offenders in rape, knife crime, etc.—relies on tech giants like Palantir for backend analytics.


Social media buzz (e.g., on X) references "Barricade" as Palantir's alleged UK facial rec system, used at events like protests, though official docs frame it more as data orchestration than standalone biometrics.


This aligns with Starmer's push for digital ID and biometrics, criticized as a "surveillance state" enabler.


Criticisms and Risks
  • Privacy and Bias: Amnesty and groups like Liberty warn of "automated racism" via biased algorithms, disproportionate targeting of minorities, and unchecked data breaches.


  • Lack of Oversight: MPs like David Davis call for parliamentary scrutiny, as pilots bypass full regulation.


  • Global Precedent: Palantir's US/Israel work (e.g., ICE deportations) fuels fears of similar overreach here.

In short, Palantir's tech is a backbone for the UK's surveillance "drive," making LFR more potent through AI smarts—but at the cost of eroding privacy norms. If you're musing on the bigger picture (like Thiel's influence), this fits the pattern of tech reshaping control. Thoughts?"



"A spoonful of sugar" is what comes to mind, but on a pile of shit that we're being served. This is what our gov is doing without asking us. Palantir are embedded in our NHS now as well. Maybe I would have liked a say-so on this pathway?

We're paying for our own subjugation.
 
The fact that NHS England still considers Palantir an appropriate partner raises serious questions about NHS England’s integrity.

The multiple contracts awarded to Palantir over recent years have brought with them allegations of favouritism by NHS executives, backdoor meetings, donations to the Conservative party, ministerial directives being used to override patient confidentiality rules, and Palantir’s Peter Thiel’s own confession that the company is “buying its way in”' to the NHS.

Patients and campaigners have been raising concerns about Palantir’s creeping involvement with the NHS for years based on concerns about ethics, outsourcing, and privacy. The tech company has a long and controversial history of supporting predictive policing, deportations, state surveillance, and drone strikes in Iraq and Afghanistan.

NHS England risks further losing the trust of health workers, patients, and the public if it continues with this contract with Palantir. On 3 April 2024, more than 100 health workers, patients, and allies picketed the offices of NHS England to demand that the contract is cancelled.

Outrage from health workers, patients, and the public will only grow as further atrocities are committed by the IOF.

If NHS England is to recover its own reputation and maintain public trust in health data systems, it must cancel the contract with Palantir.
Facial recognition and wider police surveillance issues
While separate from Palantir's known involvement in prisons, the growing use of facial recognition by UK police forces raises related concerns.
  • Bias and misidentification: Studies have repeatedly shown that facial recognition technology is less accurate in identifying people of colour, raising the risk of biased policing and wrongful arrests.
  • Privacy invasion: The police's use of live facial recognition in public spaces tracks millions of people, a practice that campaigners say violates fundamental privacy rights.
  • Unlawful use and lack of regulation: In August 2025, the Equality and Human Rights Commission (EHRC) criticized the Metropolitan Police's use of live facial recognition, arguing it breached human rights law. Civil liberties groups say regulation has not kept pace with the technology's deployment.

Calls for action
Civil liberties organizations are actively campaigning against Palantir's expansion and the wider use of facial recognition technology.
  • Protests: Activists have organized protests targeting Palantir's headquarters and highlighting its use of AI technology.
  • Legal challenges: Legal action has been initiated against police forces using the technology, challenging its lawfulness.
  • Parliamentary action: Cross-party coalitions of politicians, rights groups, and racial justice organizations have called for an immediate halt to live facial recognition surveillance.
Campaigners have called to stop Palantir's involvement in UK prisons and the wider justice system due to concerns about ethics, human rights, and the use of data analytics for predictive purposes. While there is no evidence that Palantir is directly deploying facial recognition technology in UK prisons, it has been lobbying the Ministry of Justice (MoJ) to apply its data analytics to the prison system. The wider expansion of government use of surveillance technology, including facial recognition, is a separate and significant source of controversy.

Palantir's known involvement in the UK justice system
  • Predictive risk modeling: In late 2024, reports revealed that Palantir was in discussions with the MoJ about calculating prisoners' "reoffending risks" using data analytics. This was part of a larger lobbying effort by the tech company targeting UK government ministers.
  • Wider police surveillance networks: In mid-2025, it was uncovered that Palantir was working with police forces across the East of England to build a real-time data-sharing network. The network pools personal data on vulnerable victims, children, and witnesses alongside suspects, sparking outrage from civil liberties groups.
  • Government-wide ambition: The company has also attended meetings with the MoJ where other tech firms suggested invasive surveillance methods, including subcutaneous tracking of offenders.

Concerns surrounding Palantir and predictive technology
  • Human rights abuses: Critics, including Amnesty International, warn that data-driven and predictive policing technologies from companies like Palantir raise severe human rights concerns. Palantir has faced backlash for its work with Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) in the U.S. and for allegedly killing aid workers in Gaza using its targeting software.
  • Ethical breaches and unaccountability: Campaigners argue that the lack of regulation and oversight over private tech companies like Palantir creates loopholes for government agencies to bypass safeguards. Critics also express alarm at Palantir's history of secrecy and perceived contempt for human rights.
  • Risk of systemic error: The 2023 Post Office scandal, a miscarriage of justice involving faulty technology, is cited as a warning about the potential dangers of relying on algorithmic systems without adequate checks and balances.
 
I called in to my local shop this morning to get some milk, it's owned by a Cambodian family, this morning it was the Wife behind the counter, she said to me Gentleman what does this mean and pushed her phone towards me the text said Nod slowly I thought WTF then realised she was doing a facial recognition thing and so i just nodded to her and she just gave me a thumbs up
They must have you marked as being a bit dodgy:-)
 

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