Facial recognition.

paulchapo said:
This is being deployed in Sale center today and Thursday. I'm not quite sure why in Sale, I wouldn't have thought it exactly a hotbed of crime.
People will say if you've done nothing wrong you have nothing to fear but I don't like it. We all know eventually it will become standard practice everywhere, we will soon have it in operation on our turnstiles.
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I don't see it as sinister at all. Most of us would prefer more police on the streets to provide a visual and realistic deterent. This is just making use of modern technology to do that. Many of us have dash cams and those camera door bells, mainly because we just do not trust our fellow citizens. Many of us also remember the days when you could leave your front door open and no one would rob you. Those days are gone forever. Society has changed and, debateably, not for the better.
 
Slightly off topic, but it amazes me how my phones facial recognition works at 5 in the morning when I’m lay down, chins everywhere and yet it still opens.
 
Uncle Wally One Ball said:
They are deleted. It scans against a set of pre determined people who will be wanted for crimes, on warrant, or missing. No data is saved
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Can I have that in writing signed by the Prime Minister and Chief Constable!? :-)
paulchapo said:
Okay, as you're on the inside I'll take your word on that.
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I’m getting very cynical in my old age. I take everything with a pinch of salt. :-)
 
Centurions said:
Strangely, I took the dog up to get his anals squeezed and since I was early I had a little wander, the local Wren Kitchens store now has a very small sign next to the door stating that facial recognition is being used. Do they get a lot of people walking out with countertops? Can't see why they'd use it.
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Customer profiling. As you walk through the door the sales person will May have an iPad that will tell them if you have been in before, how many times you have been in, what you were looking at, what you budget is if you told them on a prior visit - I don’t know if Wren use this but likely - They will also track length of visit, where in the shop you spend the most time. Being used quite widely in retail including motorway services - who now track how long people on average spend in the toilets!
 
Eccles Blue said:
Can I have that in writing signed by the Prime Minister and Chief Constable!? :-)

I’m getting very cynical in my old age. I take everything with a pinch of salt. :-)
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Ha ha me too if I'm honest. I post the odd piece on such stuff like facial recognition, digital id etcetera but I have learned not to get too emotionally involved. I'm getting too old for all the stress it brings.
 
Palerider said:
I don't see it as sinister at all. Most of us would prefer more police on the streets to provide a visual and realistic deterent. This is just making use of modern technology to do that. Many of us have dash cams and those camera door bells, mainly because we just do not trust our fellow citizens. Many of us also remember the days when you could leave your front door open and no one would rob you. Those days are gone forever. Society has changed and, debateably, not for the better.
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No tbh. That was what was told to us by our grand-parents. Theirs must likely told them that too.

I would rather have police than be tracked and spied on. The police can actually prevent the crime. Cameras will not scare someone in a hoodie. Criminals will do criminal.

So all we are left with is a population that can be tracked at all times. Add to thst the ID cards they're planning.

That would have been so useful during covid, the govn could have restricted our activities based on their professional and sensible decisions during that time.



Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.”
 
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Gorton_Tubster said:
No tbh. That was what was told to us by our grand-parents. Theirs must likely told them that too.

I would rather have police than be tracked and spied on. The police can actually prevent the crime. Cameras will not scare someone in a hoodie. Criminals will do criminal.

So all we are left with is a population that can be tracked at all times. Add to thst the ID cards they're planning.

That would have been so useful during covid, the govn could have restricted our activities based on their professional and sensible decisions during that time.



Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.”
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People just don't see the absolute control they will have when all the technology is linked with digital id and eventually digital currency.
Take the covid lockdowns you mentioned. Easy peasy, they just turn off the digital id you will need to do anything outside your designated zone. You become a non functioning person unable to travel, shop, go into a pub, anything as your id to allow that doesn't work, unless you go back to your allocated zone.

I remember the furore when we put season tickets on mobile phones. At first they allowed you to print paper tickets and some to keep the card ( I think) Now I believe those options no longer exist, it's on your phone or you're fucked. There will be more furore when they activate the facial recognition on the turnstiles. The anger will subside and it will become normal. It's like slowly boiling a frog, it doesn't realise it's fucked until it's boiled, then it's too late, or something like that lol.
 
DiscoSteve said:
If you've got nothnig to hide there is NOTHING to be scared of here
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Lol, tell that to all the people who have had to be released from prison after years of wrongfully being sent there for crimes they didn't commit .... or the many others that have eventually won appeals as their convictions were later deemed to be 'unsafe', or flawed.

Judges, Juries, Police Forces, get so many things wrong .... it's getting them to actually admit to it that's the hard part!

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Eaststander1 said:
Lol, tell that to all the people who have had to be released from prison after years of wrongfully being sent there for crimes they didn't commit .... or the many others that have eventually won appeals as their convictions were later deemed to be 'unsafe', or flawed.

Judges, Juries, Police Forces, get so many things wrong ....

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Anyone who leaves the country or drives a car or has a bank account needs to verify their ID by photo so identifying yourself by your face isn't a new thing at all.

If it helps sweep the street of the people who shouldn't be here then I am all for it, my problem with it is that private businesses get to use the technology and I presume the database (For a large juicy fee of course), it's like a shit remake of Robocop.
 
Centurions said:
I think you're giving the IQ level of your average scrote far too much credit there.
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So the whole system will have cost millions, probably billions, yet its only capable of capturing low level, braindead scrotes who are too stupid to avoid it even when it's as obvious as a marching band in the middle of the street.

I'm not sure the cost v benefit really adds up.
 
paulchapo said:
People just don't see the absolute control they will have when all the technology is linked with digital id and eventually digital currency.
Take the covid lockdowns you mentioned. Easy peasy, they just turn off the digital id you will need to do anything outside your designated zone. You become a non functioning person unable to travel, shop, go into a pub, anything as your id to allow that doesn't work, unless you go back to your allocated zone.

I remember the furore when we put season tickets on mobile phones. At first they allowed you to print paper tickets and some to keep the card ( I think) Now I believe those options no longer exist, it's on your phone or you're fucked. There will be more furore when they activate the facial recognition on the turnstiles. The anger will subside and it will become normal. It's like slowly boiling a frog, it doesn't realise it's fucked until it's boiled, then it's too late, or something like that lol.
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I don't worry about it as much now, its their future they are creating (the people who want the government to have these powers).

If they're scared enough of crime (even though it's proven to be going down over the decades), or illegal immigration, then they can give away their freedoms others fought hard for.

All I'm doing now is making sure they know they ignored the warnings.
 
Gorton_Tubster said:
I don't worry about it as much now, its their future they are creating (the people who want the government to have these powers).

If they're scared enough of crime (even though it's proven to be going down over the decades), or illegal immigration, then they can give away their freedoms others fought hard for.

All I'm doing now is making sure they know they ignored the warnings.
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Although more people are becoming aware sadly it's not happening quickly enough and by the time the rest catch up it will be too late. A bit like financial fair play the drawbridge will be firmly pulled up.
 
paulchapo said:
Although more people are becoming aware sadly it's not happening quickly enough and by the time the rest catch up it will be too late. A bit like financial fair play the drawbridge will be firmly pulled up.
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Well they will pay for it future.

When the local police turn up to issue a fine for their dog shitting on the grass 2 years previous, or their council issue a fine for tipping coffee down the drain.

Throw a cigarette butt on the floor and the camera's will catch you, forever!
 
paulchapo said:
I'm not getting drawn into it like I did the digital id thread where I ended up getting banned, probably rightly, as I did lose my rag ( No pun intended lol) a bit.
If people can't see where all this is heading then there is no hope or point arguing it. They will find out one day. I see posted elsewhere, not here, that the Nat West bank are adding a carbon footprint to all your purchases unless you opt out of it. Some sandwiches are listing a carbon footprint on their packaging too. Once absolutely everything we do is traceable and able to be turned off if we don't comply or try to.overuse our allocated allowance it's game over.
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What’s that about the Nat West?
 
paulchapo said:
Apparently everything you purchase shows with the carbon footprint next to it on your statement.
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Thank you. If they didn’t keep closing down branches, Wythenshawe, many years ago and my original bank, Northenden, Heald Green, Cheadle and more then my carbon footprint wouldn’t be so bad I would imagine. I disagree with the argument when they say that customers are turning to online or digital banking, I bite back, that’s because we are being forced to.
 
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