Falling Immigration a worse economy and what does Farage do next ?


Run down to the end where there is an interactive map.

It isn't true though it's the way the statistics have been slanted, overwhelmingly the countries Brits migrate to are the same countries they always have migrated to. Grown fastest doesn't mean a hell of a lot and the numbers are minute.

I don't think British people are moving en masse to Bangladesh or indeed Eastern Europe, there might be a trend to Eastern Europe because of Polish people being born over here but it's nothing more than that.
 
It isn't true though it's the way the statistics have been slanted, overwhelmingly the countries Brits migrate to are the same countries they always have migrated to. Grown fastest doesn't mean a hell of a lot and the numbers are minute.

I don't think British people are moving en masse to Bangladesh or indeed Eastern Europe, there might be a trend to Eastern Europe because of Polish people being born over here but it's nothing more than that.
Poland has a booming economy (I think). Lots of good jobs and I presume the 90 day rule applies there for non EU members
 
Poland has a booming economy (I think). Lots of good jobs and I presume the 90 day rule applies there for non EU members

That has nothing to do with either emigration and the fact that emigration has always been to the countries that we have always emigrated to, everything else is an exception to the rule not a significant marker.
 
from The Church Times

Canon ousted from council’s standards board after Reform UK takes over Calderdale​

byJames Macintyre
22 May 2026

The party also abolished three committees that scrutinised Adult Health and Social Care, Children and Young People, and Place​

calderdale-20260522100330465_web.jpg
NICK JENKINS
The Annual Council Meeting on 20 May, in the council chamber at Halifax Town Hall


REFORM UK on Calderdale Council, in West Yorkshire, in sweeping changes after winning 34 of the 54 seats, has removed the Vicar of Halifax Minster, Canon Hilary Barber, as the longstanding chair of the council’s Board of Standards.

Canon Barber, who has served in the independent position for 16 years, told the Church Times that he was “clearly disappointed” to be ousted by the new council administration, which took power after the local elections on 7 May.

In the council’s first annual general meeting, Reform UK also abolished three committees that scrutinised Adult Health and Social Care, Children and Young People, and Place — leaving only the Overview and Scrutiny Committee.

Opposition councillors in Calderdale have said that the new leadership is trying to “avoid scrutiny”. The Labour Party, which forms the main opposition group, told the BBC that the decision would “weaken the mechanisms designed to hold decision-makers accountable and ensure transparency”.

Labour also said that the new council leadership “broke further with convention” by awarding every chair position across council boards and committees to its own councillors.

Labour said in a statement: “Reform have torn up decades of civic convention and tradition in a blatant attempt to consolidate power within Calderdale Council. These conventions exist as a safeguard, to ensure every resident and every community is represented, no matter how they voted.

“As part of sweeping changes, they have unashamedly politicised the role of Mayor — a position that has historically been independent, ceremonial, and above party politics.

“Under the long-established rota and formula system, this should have been Labour’s year to nominate the Mayor. It is therefore especially disappointing that Reform rejected Labour’s nominations for Mayor and Deputy Mayor — councillors who reflect the breadth and diversity of modern Calderdale.

“At a time when public institutions should be working to ensure everyone feels represented in civic life, this decision raises serious questions about Reform’s approach to inclusion and representation.”


In a letter sent to Canon Barber on Thursday and seen by the Church Times, the leaders of the local Labour, Green, Liberal Democrat, and Independent parties wrote: “Your commitment, integrity and thoughtful leadership have been greatly valued throughout your time in the role.

“The work of the Standards Committee is essential in promoting and maintaining high standards of conduct and ethical governance across the council, and your independent guidance has made an essential contribution to that purpose.

“In these politically volatile times, the people of Calderdale need reassurance that those now charged with leading the council will do so in a way that is open, honest, and transparent.

“Your experience, balanced judgement and dedication have helped ensure that those of us elected to office have carried out our responsibilities with fairness and professionalism. We are grateful for the time, effort and expertise you have given — and will continue to give — in support of the council and the wider Calderdale community. Please accept our heartfelt thanks for your service. Many of us will continue to seek your wise counsel and spiritual guidance.”

Canon Barber said: “I was encouraged to apply when the role of an independent chair was advertised, and I attended a rigorous interview process with a cross-party group of councillors and the chief legal and monitoring officer.

“It has been an essential part of the role not to belong to any political party, and that, as the independent chair, one sits above party politics. I have been able to provide an independent vice in support of all the hard work local elected members do, year in year out, and for little reward or appreciation.

“One of the things I have been proudest of is having elected members from Labour, Conservative, and Liberal Democrats all worshipping in the Minster as people of faith: we are not party-political.

“I was informed on Friday that I was not invited to the annual council meeting, and I was informed only [on Wednesday] — the day of annual council — that I was not to be reappointed as the independent chair of standards.”

Canon Barber continued: “I’m clearly disappointed that there was no discussion with the leader of the council about the role I have played over the past 16 years. I have received no thanks for service given, or explanation.”

There looked to have been a deliberate choice, he said, to avoid scrutiny by independent members of the council, and to shut down boards “that have provided essential transparency [over] the council’s work” and that strengthened democracy and accountability.

“It’s a sad day for the people of Calderdale, who deserve so much better from their elected members. I wonder what their next political move will be?”

The local Green Party leader, Martin Hey, said: “This is clearly an attempt to consolidate power in the hands of a few, in order to silence dissenting points of view and stand in the way of scrutiny of their decisions.

“Ensuring that our money is spent well, and that the people and places we love are protected, is not a pointless committee: it is taking the time to take care of all that we hold dear. Reform is sending a very clear message that no other opinions are allowed.”

Reform UK has been approached for comment by the Church Times.
 
It isn't true though it's the way the statistics have been slanted, overwhelmingly the countries Brits migrate to are the same countries they always have migrated to. Grown fastest doesn't mean a hell of a lot and the numbers are minute.

I don't think British people are moving en masse to Bangladesh or indeed Eastern Europe, there might be a trend to Eastern Europe because of Polish people being born over here but it's nothing more than that.
So do we go off your thoughts or the official ONS data?

The point is net migration is down considerably for various reasons and it's not people moving to the likes of Dubai and Australia. East Europeans who became British, for example, appear to be moving back "home".
 
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So basically EU and Brits moving elsewhere and being replaced by Non EU migrants. Not the big change that makes Reform redundant as people will still see a change they don't like.
 
Where do you live and why did you become an immigrant there?

What makes you think I am an expat? Are you stoned?

The overwhelming amount of people who leave this country to go to live/work somewhere else don't go to Bangladesh or to Poland they go where they have always gone, the stats posted give a completely false picture.
 
from The Church Times

Canon ousted from council’s standards board after Reform UK takes over Calderdale​

byJames Macintyre
22 May 2026

The party also abolished three committees that scrutinised Adult Health and Social Care, Children and Young People, and Place​

calderdale-20260522100330465_web.jpg
NICK JENKINS
The Annual Council Meeting on 20 May, in the council chamber at Halifax Town Hall


REFORM UK on Calderdale Council, in West Yorkshire, in sweeping changes after winning 34 of the 54 seats, has removed the Vicar of Halifax Minster, Canon Hilary Barber, as the longstanding chair of the council’s Board of Standards.

Canon Barber, who has served in the independent position for 16 years, told the Church Times that he was “clearly disappointed” to be ousted by the new council administration, which took power after the local elections on 7 May.

In the council’s first annual general meeting, Reform UK also abolished three committees that scrutinised Adult Health and Social Care, Children and Young People, and Place — leaving only the Overview and Scrutiny Committee.

Opposition councillors in Calderdale have said that the new leadership is trying to “avoid scrutiny”. The Labour Party, which forms the main opposition group, told the BBC that the decision would “weaken the mechanisms designed to hold decision-makers accountable and ensure transparency”.

Labour also said that the new council leadership “broke further with convention” by awarding every chair position across council boards and committees to its own councillors.

Labour said in a statement: “Reform have torn up decades of civic convention and tradition in a blatant attempt to consolidate power within Calderdale Council. These conventions exist as a safeguard, to ensure every resident and every community is represented, no matter how they voted.

“As part of sweeping changes, they have unashamedly politicised the role of Mayor — a position that has historically been independent, ceremonial, and above party politics.

“Under the long-established rota and formula system, this should have been Labour’s year to nominate the Mayor. It is therefore especially disappointing that Reform rejected Labour’s nominations for Mayor and Deputy Mayor — councillors who reflect the breadth and diversity of modern Calderdale.

“At a time when public institutions should be working to ensure everyone feels represented in civic life, this decision raises serious questions about Reform’s approach to inclusion and representation.”


In a letter sent to Canon Barber on Thursday and seen by the Church Times, the leaders of the local Labour, Green, Liberal Democrat, and Independent parties wrote: “Your commitment, integrity and thoughtful leadership have been greatly valued throughout your time in the role.

“The work of the Standards Committee is essential in promoting and maintaining high standards of conduct and ethical governance across the council, and your independent guidance has made an essential contribution to that purpose.

“In these politically volatile times, the people of Calderdale need reassurance that those now charged with leading the council will do so in a way that is open, honest, and transparent.

“Your experience, balanced judgement and dedication have helped ensure that those of us elected to office have carried out our responsibilities with fairness and professionalism. We are grateful for the time, effort and expertise you have given — and will continue to give — in support of the council and the wider Calderdale community. Please accept our heartfelt thanks for your service. Many of us will continue to seek your wise counsel and spiritual guidance.”

Canon Barber said: “I was encouraged to apply when the role of an independent chair was advertised, and I attended a rigorous interview process with a cross-party group of councillors and the chief legal and monitoring officer.

“It has been an essential part of the role not to belong to any political party, and that, as the independent chair, one sits above party politics. I have been able to provide an independent vice in support of all the hard work local elected members do, year in year out, and for little reward or appreciation.

“One of the things I have been proudest of is having elected members from Labour, Conservative, and Liberal Democrats all worshipping in the Minster as people of faith: we are not party-political.

“I was informed on Friday that I was not invited to the annual council meeting, and I was informed only [on Wednesday] — the day of annual council — that I was not to be reappointed as the independent chair of standards.”

Canon Barber continued: “I’m clearly disappointed that there was no discussion with the leader of the council about the role I have played over the past 16 years. I have received no thanks for service given, or explanation.”

There looked to have been a deliberate choice, he said, to avoid scrutiny by independent members of the council, and to shut down boards “that have provided essential transparency [over] the council’s work” and that strengthened democracy and accountability.

“It’s a sad day for the people of Calderdale, who deserve so much better from their elected members. I wonder what their next political move will be?”

The local Green Party leader, Martin Hey, said: “This is clearly an attempt to consolidate power in the hands of a few, in order to silence dissenting points of view and stand in the way of scrutiny of their decisions.

“Ensuring that our money is spent well, and that the people and places we love are protected, is not a pointless committee: it is taking the time to take care of all that we hold dear. Reform is sending a very clear message that no other opinions are allowed.”

Reform UK has been approached for comment by the Church Times.
I'm guessing most of the opposition the leaders are trying to suppress will be their own members not part of the inner circle.
 
That has nothing to do with either emigration and the fact that emigration has always been to the countries that we have always emigrated to, everything else is an exception to the rule not a significant marker.
You can't emigrate to the EU though without a job, a visa or private medical insurance.
 
What makes you think I am an expat? Are you stoned?

The overwhelming amount of people who leave this country to go to live/work somewhere else don't go to Bangladesh or to Poland they go where they have always gone, the stats posted give a completely false picture.
You have completely ignored the point that there are British people with roots all over Europe and even the likes of Bangladesh. It is these people and their families who are, for whatever reason choosing to relocate. We have a distant family member who married an into a British Bangladeshi family. Some of the racism they are experiencing is meaning they are asking themselves if they may move there.
 
You have completely ignored the point that there are British people with roots all over Europe and even the likes of Bangladesh. It is these people and their families who are, for whatever reason choosing to relocate. We have a distant family member who married an into a British Bangladeshi family. Some of the racism they are experiencing is meaning they are asking themselves if they may move there.

I really haven't missed the point at all.
 
I'm in Cluj this week and the Romanian craft bar owners tell me about blokes from Newcastle moving there and "drinking 5 pints a night" and I can't blame them.

Eastern European countries like Poland, Romania and Bulgaria seem to be reversing the trend of emigration to the UK, modern vibrant cities.
I am intending to relocate to Bulgaria in about 5 years time when I retire, possibly three years if we lose our collective minds and elect farage and his minion's
 
I am intending to relocate to Bulgaria in about 5 years time when I retire, possibly three years if we lose our collective minds and elect farage and his minion's

Ha I always get videos on my youtube algorithm for Bulgarian properties, it is tempting with some of the prices. But my children are still really young, instead planning a few years in Germany and take it from there.
 
I am intending to relocate to Bulgaria in about 5 years time when I retire, possibly three years if we lose our collective minds and elect farage and his minion's
It seems uite a few Brits already have, some working remotely (Veliko Turnovo is popular), some retired there. Don't blame them, Bulgaria was the most surprising of all the European countries (not doing Belarus now), brilliant food and architecture and unfussy people.
 
What makes you think I am an expat? Are you stoned?

The overwhelming amount of people who leave this country to go to live/work somewhere else don't go to Bangladesh or to Poland they go where they have always gone, the stats posted give a completely false picture.
One more time for @expatblue
Comedy gold.
 
The country is in shitstreet, the number of people coming into the country wouldnt worry me if they were all a nett benefit to the economy, the reality is that many arent. We need to make residence in this country much harder and remaining dependant upon working status. If they are unable to support themselves and their families then out they go.
 

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