Got to love a self confessed Nationalist giving us an anti intolerance and anti violence message using intolerant and violent language ;-)
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Got to love a self confessed Nationalist giving us an anti intolerance and anti violence message using intolerant and violent language ;-)
Alan Harper's Tash
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It’s inevitable that a lot of these countries will try populism for a term and find out how disastrous it will be.We do need to reverse this trend, the left has always seen this as a class issue, regardless of the colour of ones skin, the single biggest determinant of ones life chances is the class you're born into.
Ask Corbyn or anyone on the left about race, immigration and so on, they always reply that the right uses this as a wedge issue to divide and rule, to distract the downtrodden masses from what's really going on.
But while their analysis is strong, I'm not convinced by their argument.
Most standing have no policies, just the vow to stop everything, without being able to.
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The UK and much of the West are in relative decline.
In the UK, we have a low-wage, coolie economy. Many people are spending half their income on rent because the price of housing (compared to an average wage) is ludicrous.
On top of that, the days of a 'job for life' are gone. Much of the population is in jobs that could end at any time. They feel insecure because they have no savings (or not much) and know that the state will give little help if they end up on the dole. This is even worse for single people than for those with families, although it's shit for everyone.
No wonder people are pissed off! And the 'popular' press and foghorns like Farage blame it all on foreigners and immigrants because they don't want you blaming the 1% with all the money, most of whom are fucking tax dodgers. People are taken in by this shite, just as they were when Adolf blamed the Jews for Germany losing World War I. Why? Because it's a nice, simple answer, and it implies it's not your fault that you don't have a bean, it's some other ****'s fault and you are entitled to hate them. The only thing is, it's simplistic nonsense which is all the right wing in politics has to offer. Throw in a few Union Jacks and a 'patriotic' song or two and before you know it they're eating out of your hand.
In the UK, we have a low-wage, coolie economy. Many people are spending half their income on rent because the price of housing (compared to an average wage) is ludicrous.
On top of that, the days of a 'job for life' are gone. Much of the population is in jobs that could end at any time. They feel insecure because they have no savings (or not much) and know that the state will give little help if they end up on the dole. This is even worse for single people than for those with families, although it's shit for everyone.
No wonder people are pissed off! And the 'popular' press and foghorns like Farage blame it all on foreigners and immigrants because they don't want you blaming the 1% with all the money, most of whom are fucking tax dodgers. People are taken in by this shite, just as they were when Adolf blamed the Jews for Germany losing World War I. Why? Because it's a nice, simple answer, and it implies it's not your fault that you don't have a bean, it's some other ****'s fault and you are entitled to hate them. The only thing is, it's simplistic nonsense which is all the right wing in politics has to offer. Throw in a few Union Jacks and a 'patriotic' song or two and before you know it they're eating out of your hand.
Gremlin
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Because their argument is equally simplistic as the nationalist/right wing one - "if we just got rid of the toffs and/or taxed the rich into oblivion, everything would be fine". I am always suspicious of anyone, of any political persuasion, who says the answers to complex problems are simple.We do need to reverse this trend, the left has always seen this as a class issue, regardless of the colour of ones skin, the single biggest determinant of ones life chances is the class you're born into.
Ask Corbyn or anyone on the left about race, immigration and so on, they always reply that the right uses this as a wedge issue to divide and rule, to distract the downtrodden masses from what's really going on.
But while their analysis is strong, I'm not convinced by their argument.
Ducado
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The rise of the right can be correlated to the rise of globalism, sure it was good for the profit margin to offshore all the grunt work to India and China but not so good for the population Business nowadays needs to focus on it's social impact, if you are a bank for sake of argument that's main market is the UK, your help centres should be based here not in in bloody India! Yes costs will increase as you have to pay a decent wage to attract British workers but FFS you are making your money from this market, and this goes for any business
Not sure if posted elsewhere but this popped on the bbc earlier
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c5ydnqdq38wo
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c5ydnqdq38wo
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When all the gammons went on the rampage they were bolstered by social media making them think they had the country behind them attacking people and the places they were staying. Turned out it was just them, low life vermin posing as patriots. Fucking racists more like. But today, those two words mean the same. Who but a right wing racist wouid call themselves patriots today? We know what they mean. It’s white patriots, who are intolerant, who gave us Brexit, not having the intelligence to know what it actually wouid do. That causes less money in the economy and services are strapped, to them they think it’s some **** from Syria who’s causing all the hassle. That’s how thick your run of the mill, let’s burn down a hotel, mob of vermin are.
If Nazi in Chief Trump the Rapist gets in, we are in for a period where we all need to pick a side. Always remember, being big fat and baldy with a couple of tattoos of the flag and a skeleton, doesn’t mean they are good fighters. A big raging red Nazi loving face, can still be broken. Just keep moving, tire the fat bastard out then go in with the head, followed up by a flurry of punches and a boot to the skull on their way down. You’ll thank me later. It easy.
And in my opinion you are one of the very causes of the far right , calling everyone racists who have a different opinion to you .When all the gammons went on the rampage they were bolstered by social media making them think they had the country behind them attacking people and the places they were staying. Turned out it was just them, low life vermin posing as patriots. Fucking racists more like. But today, those two words mean the same. Who but a right wing racist wouid call themselves patriots today? We know what they mean. It’s white patriots, who are intolerant, who gave us Brexit, not having the intelligence to know what it actually wouid do. That causes less money in the economy and services are strapped, to them they think it’s some **** from Syria who’s causing all the hassle. That’s how thick your run of the mill, let’s burn down a hotel, mob of vermin are.
If Nazi in Chief Trump the Rapist gets in, we are in for a period where we all need to pick a side. Always remember, being big fat and baldy with a couple of tattoos of the flag and a skeleton, doesn’t mean they are good fighters. A big raging red Nazi loving face, can still be broken. Just keep moving, tire the fat bastard out then go in with the head, followed up by a flurry of punches and a boot to the skull on their way down. You’ll thank me later. It easy.
Just because people have serious concerns over illegal immigration does not make folk a racist .
Do i have concerns , absolutly right i do , letting mostly prime fighting age men into the country with absolutly no idea about there background ,it should be stopped it needs to be stopped .
People coming here legally for what ever reason i have absolutly no worries what so ever about.
People now all over europe have serious concerns about this now and nobody seems to be listening to what i believe are the silent majority.
Not all of them in them "riots" were idiots just normal peoole of this country concerened and with a lot of folk its at braking point and its not just in the uk .
Where i do agree the behavior of "some" of those protesters was absolutly moronic .
So in short peoole like you have to stop taring people with the same brush.
We have opinions as you do
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The problem is also that we don't 'do' anything anymore, we don't make anything or build anything tangible. People's livelihoods have been taken away in favour of appeasing an economy of a smaller number of major conglamorates who are better able to exist within an unstable ecosystem that's built upon a financial house of cards.The UK and much of the West are in relative decline.
In the UK, we have a low-wage, coolie economy. Many people are spending half their income on rent because the price of housing (compared to an average wage) is ludicrous.
On top of that, the days of a 'job for life' are gone. Much of the population is in jobs that could end at any time. They feel insecure because they have no savings (or not much) and know that the state will give little help if they end up on the dole. This is even worse for single people than for those with families, although it's shit for everyone.
No wonder people are pissed off! And the 'popular' press and foghorns like Farage blame it all on foreigners and immigrants because they don't want you blaming the 1% with all the money, most of whom are fucking tax dodgers. People are taken in by this shite, just as they were when Adolf blamed the Jews for Germany losing World War I. Why? Because it's a nice, simple answer, and it implies it's not your fault that you don't have a bean, it's some other ****'s fault and you are entitled to hate them. The only thing is, it's simplistic nonsense which is all the right wing in politics has to offer. Throw in a few Union Jacks and a 'patriotic' song or two and before you know it they're eating out of your hand.
The insecurity is represented by the simple fact that unlike smaller companies major companies only care about their 2% profit and not their staff. Governments peddle this and champion 1% increases in GDP figures or percentage point increases in the FTSE as though that makes any difference to the population.
Nothing sums it up more than the fact that most manufacturing companies have sought to replace people entirely, those people are now lost who knows where and AI will see the rest of us thrown on the scrapheap with them.
And who unfortunately has come to best represent these conglamorates in every single measure whether by demographic, education or background? Government. The only weapon we have against these people are our votes, that's why the main objective of politicians is to divide and marginalise that vote as much as possible.
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What we have now is not really capitalism, in its traditional sense. It's a world dominated by a tiny minority (few of whom have any sense of noblesse oblige). One percent or maybe two percent, at most, own almost all the wealth. The problem is that they are still not satisfied. They want more and more. And they have seized all the levers of power and have no intent of letting go, as in that event they are fucked. Or at least they will be forced to be less greedy.
Is this sustainable? In my view, the answer is 'no'. If you ask me how it changes though, I haven't a fucking clue. Voting won't change it. Voting for populist clowns definitely won't change it. (You only have to look at who is funding them.)
I am tempted to say people need to become politically aware and educate themselves. However, I might as well say people ought to take up macrame. It's never going to happen in sufficient numbers.
Is this sustainable? In my view, the answer is 'no'. If you ask me how it changes though, I haven't a fucking clue. Voting won't change it. Voting for populist clowns definitely won't change it. (You only have to look at who is funding them.)
I am tempted to say people need to become politically aware and educate themselves. However, I might as well say people ought to take up macrame. It's never going to happen in sufficient numbers.
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Breaking point? Really? And it is my absolute opinion that all of those out causing mayhem and rioting are racist cunts. Demonstrating is one thing. That wasn’t demonstrations it was we are lawless fucks. And if you don’t agree, that’s absolutely fine. You can rest easy I won’t come round and try and burn down your house or call you a Nazi. Unlike those scum.And in my opinion you are one of the very causes of the far right , calling everyone racists who have a different opinion to you .
Just because people have serious concerns over illegal immigration does not make folk a racist .
Do i have concerns , absolutly right i do , letting mostly prime fighting age men into the country with absolutly no idea about there background ,it should be stopped it needs to be stopped .
People coming here legally for what ever reason i have absolutly no worries what so ever about.
People now all over europe have serious concerns about this now and nobody seems to be listening to what i believe are the silent majority.
Not all of them in them "riots" were idiots just normal peoole of this country concerened and with a lot of folk its at braking point and its not just in the uk .
Where i do agree the behavior of "some" of those protesters was absolutly moronic .
So in short peoole like you have to stop taring people with the same brush.
We have opinions as you do
Oh, and I have concerns about immigration too. I just don’t want to demonise the people. Funny how it’s the Brexiteer cunts who have caused it all.
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