FA's new homegrown proposals

I can see why the FA decided these rules, they don't have to pay anything while the clubs do, more 5* hotels for them to have meetings in, good thing they are the richest FA in the world by a big margin.
 
Cheadle_hulmeBlue said:
BigOscar said:
Cheadle_hulmeBlue said:
tbf when the premier league was full of english players in the 90s it had some great english players and the league was pretty good to watch, who's to say it wouldn't be again. if we have a transformation like the german league did i.e. promoting more young players, focusing on coaching
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It might have been good to watch, but the standard was very, very poor. We just didn't have the same amount of access to foreign teams to show how far behind we were. When you watch the premier league years shows from the 90's, it's staggering how poor the football is and how far we've come, I cannot see how anyone could want to see that come back.
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its the same now though, its good to watch, but in terms of quality its rubbish and is miles behind other leagues top teams, despite being full of non english players. Outside the top 5 or 6 teams the quality is terrible. id say the top teams in the late 90s and then 2000s are better than the top teams we have now. Most of the teams reaching champions league finals i.e. united, chelsea and liverpool all had 5 or 6 english players in the team so they can't have been that bad.

you could even go back to the 70s and 80s english clubs absolutely dominated europe. i think the league could just be as good with more homegrown players in it.
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Not in the 90's, that's the 00's you're talking about. In the 90's english teams were terrible. The rags won the CL in 99, but other than that we were a non-entity in europe. The top teams from the 90's would get absolutely murdered by the current top teams. The premier league peaked in the mid to late 2000's, when foreign players were just as common as they are now. Arsenal were pretty much famous for not playing any english people then, while Chelsea would only play 3 or 4 and Liverpool under Rafa had barely that. That last line simply isn't true.

Liverpool 2005- 2 english, 1 Irish
Arsenal 2006- 2 English
Liverpool 2007- 3 English, 1 Irish (can you believe Steve Finnan has played in 2 CL finals?)
Chelsea 2008- 4 English
Man Utd 2008- 6 English (only if you count Hargreaves as english)
Man Utd 2009- 3 English, 1 Welsh, 1 Irish
Man Utd 2011- 3 English, 1 Welsh
Chelsea 2012- 4 English

Coincidentally (or not), all of those sides despite being mainly foreign, all had an english CB in the team. Weird but true.
 
To me this is no different to saying, there are not enough English doctors, so hospitals and GP surgeries must employ at least (say) 60% English doctors. Never mind if they're shit doctors, never mind if they're totally incompetent, as long as they're English they should have a job, as this will improve the standards of English doctors and create a world class health service.

It's obvious nonsense in the case of doctors, and its equally obvious nonsense in the case of footballers.
 
In a perfect world I think following the American college competitions would be a good way to expose the best young players. In America they know all the best young players are because they watch them every week.
 
so we have the most succesful product of its kind in the world but some people /one person wants to change the format for that success ,it sounds a little risky to me . if it aint broke ,,
 
I can't see this being voted in, why would the premier league bow to the FA,s proposals. The league is watched all over the world with great players in it and yes most are foreigners and this is what sells and brings in shed loads of money. The young English players don't have the same hunger to succeed because they are only interested in how much money they can get, how pissed they can get, and have a wag or even a granny to bang. The likes of sky won't be paying Hugh amounts of money to see the likes of the current crop of English players, Smalling Jones young can you imagine 20 teams with 50% of these types of players. Why kill the golden goose and go backwards to watch drivel, in my opinion this would be the worse thing to happen to the premier league. I remember when Italy was where all the top players played look at it now.
 
BigOscar said:
So what do our unmotivated, lazy, spoilt kids need to push them to become better players? How about we make life even easier for them by forcing teams to hire them and make them more valuable simply by being english. Great plan. If you compare how easy the kids coming through the english academies have it already, it's not hard to see why the foreign kids are more dedicated and motivated, now we want to make it even easier for them?

On the plus side, bang average english players would be worth even more money and paid even more ludicrous sums. The premier league would quickly start looking like the Russian Premier League though. Do any of the top footballing nations employ quota systems? Not to my knowledge.
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Totally agree our kids are not hungry enough and quotas will not change this at all.
 
A lot of people seem to be missing the point.

It's not about the likes of Fabian Delph, Jordan Henderson and Stewart Downing replacing Silva, Fabregas and Hazard.

It's about the likes of average foreign players blocking the paths of young english players who are just as good if not better.

There are a lot of Harry Kane's out there. It's about giving them the best chance.

There are too many average foreign players in the Premier League including some in our squad.
 
WNRH said:
A lot of people seem to be missing the point.

It's not about the likes of Fabian Delph, Jordan Henderson and Stewart Downing replacing Silva, Fabregas and Hazard.

It's about the likes of average foreign players blocking the paths of young english players who are just as good if not better.

There are a lot of Harry Kane's out there. It's about giving them the best chance.

There are too many average foreign players in the Premier League including some in our squad.
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I don't think they are.

So clubs have great young English players in their academies who have cost them nothing but instead decide to buy and play worse players because they aren't English? Come on.

The game is global. Passports don't matter quality does. If the English players aren't getting a chance but are so good why don't they play abroad as the vast majority of other country's youngsters do if they are good enough.

The FA have it wrong. The Premiership has no responsibility to provide England with greater choice. Quotas are a backward step as many many academic studies have shown. You will produce better English players by improving facilities and coaching not restricting foreigners.

Luckily Southampton have already pointed the above out to Mr Dyke.
 
Cobwebcat said:
WNRH said:
A lot of people seem to be missing the point.

It's not about the likes of Fabian Delph, Jordan Henderson and Stewart Downing replacing Silva, Fabregas and Hazard.

It's about the likes of average foreign players blocking the paths of young english players who are just as good if not better.

There are a lot of Harry Kane's out there. It's about giving them the best chance.

There are too many average foreign players in the Premier League including some in our squad.
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I don't think they are.

So clubs have great young English players in their academies who have cost them nothing but instead decide to buy and play worse players because they aren't English? Come on.
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Yes because of experience. A manager hasn't got time to go and play a couple of kids because those kids will make mistakes and have inconsistent games so they will choose an option that they can trust which will be a foreign player with 200+ games under his belt.

The pathways in English football even for non English youngsters are blocked due to the pressures the managers are under, i keep going back to Harry Kane but he's the perfect example, he was only played because Tim Sherwood his manager at youth level was not under any pressure in his temporary job, it was a win win situation for him.
 
WNRH said:
A lot of people seem to be missing the point.

It's not about the likes of Fabian Delph, Jordan Henderson and Stewart Downing replacing Silva, Fabregas and Hazard.

It's about the likes of average foreign players blocking the paths of young english players who are just as good if not better.

There are a lot of Harry Kane's out there. It's about giving them the best chance.

There are too many average foreign players in the Premier League including some in our squad.
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Oh please stop. There are already so many average English players earning more than they are worth. All this will do is allow even worse English blokes earn millions instead of better foreign players. Just like Russian league for example.
 
WNRH said:
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There are a lot of Harry Kane's out there. It's about giving them the best chance.
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The current system didnt stop him getting his opportunies so I'm not sure why he's constantly being used as an example of why things need to change.
 
If you said this about any other profession you'd be shouted down as a racist. Maybe those nice fellas in Manchester city centre today can meet with the FA and give their ideas.
 
WNRH said:
Cobwebcat said:
WNRH said:
A lot of people seem to be missing the point.

It's not about the likes of Fabian Delph, Jordan Henderson and Stewart Downing replacing Silva, Fabregas and Hazard.

It's about the likes of average foreign players blocking the paths of young english players who are just as good if not better.

There are a lot of Harry Kane's out there. It's about giving them the best chance.

There are too many average foreign players in the Premier League including some in our squad.
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I don't think they are.

So clubs have great young English players in their academies who have cost them nothing but instead decide to buy and play worse players because they aren't English? Come on.
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Yes because of experience. A manager hasn't got time to go and play a couple of kids because those kids will make mistakes and have inconsistent games so they will choose an option that they can trust which will be a foreign player with 200+ games under his belt.

The pathways in English football even for non English youngsters are blocked due to the pressures the managers are under, i keep going back to Harry Kane but he's the perfect example, he was only played because Tim Sherwood his manager at youth level was not under any pressure in his temporary job, it was a win win situation for him.
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So what you're saying is, because the English kids have shit games, they should be kept on, despite other kids being better?
Managers will always be under pressure, it's the nature of the job, they pick the best, if those kids are English, like a few are, then fine, if they're not he'll look elsewhere.
 
If half your squad has to be HG then fuck me, if you think English players are expensive now just wait...

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I take it all current HG players will remain HG until they retire, right? Players already playing professionally can't suddenly change to foreigners in a few years if this BS goes through. The amount of disruption would be crazy
 
Silva_Spell said:
If half your squad has to be HG then fuck me, if you think English players are expensive now just wait...

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I take it all current HG players will remain HG until they retire, right? Players already playing professionally can't suddenly change to foreigners in a few years if this BS goes through. The amount of disruption would be crazy
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isn't that the point though its would force clubs to give academy players a chance.
 
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