FA's new homegrown proposals

[Cheadle_hulmeBlue]

A lot of people seem to be missing the point.

It's not about the likes of Fabian Delph, Jordan Henderson and Stewart Downing replacing Silva, Fabregas and Hazard.

It's about the likes of average foreign players blocking the paths of young english players who are just as good if not better.

There are a lot of Harry Kane's out there. It's about giving them the best chance.

There are too many average foreign players in the Premier League including some in our squad.

I don't think they are.

So clubs have great young English players in their academies who have cost them nothing but instead decide to buy and play worse players because they aren't English? Come on.

The game is global. Passports don't matter quality does. If the English players aren't getting a chance but are so good why don't they play abroad as the vast majority of other country's youngsters do if they are good enough.

The FA have it wrong. The Premiership has no responsibility to provide England with greater choice. Quotas are a backward step as many many academic studies have shown. You will produce better English players by improving facilities and coaching not restricting foreigners.

Luckily Southampton have already pointed the above out to Mr Dyke.

you say that but in germany they have to have a number of german players in the squad or team. The english premier league should feel a bit responsible for producing english talent, why shouldn't they ?? Manchester city is an english club. having local players in a team should be a priority ( they have to be good enough) german clubs were forced to invest in the youth teams and promote from within, it didn't do them any harm.

the german league, spanish, french, dutch, italian all have quite high proportions of players from there own country. id rather have young english players in the team than mediocre average foreign players like sagna, fernando, willy, jovetic, man gala. If this helps to get rid of players like that or players like adebayor then great.

 

[lancs blue]

If half your squad has to be HG then fuck me, if you think English players are expensive now just wait...

Add another 50%


I take it all current HG players will remain HG until they retire, right? Players already playing professionally can't suddenly change to foreigners in a few years if this BS goes through. The amount of disruption would be crazy

isn't that the point though its would force clubs to give academy players a chance.

But won't the managers and coaches at the clubs know if their academy players are good enough or not? Forcing teams to play English players who are not at the club's required standard is bad policy whichever way you look at it.

I pay my S/T money to watch City not England. If we bring quality English players through our academy, fine. If they're Mancs, even better but if they're not good enough I expect City to find players who are good enough regardless of nationality.

 

[Silva_Spell]

If half your squad has to be HG then fuck me, if you think English players are expensive now just wait...

Add another 50%


I take it all current HG players will remain HG until they retire, right? Players already playing professionally can't suddenly change to foreigners in a few years if this BS goes through. The amount of disruption would be crazy

isn't that the point though its would force clubs to give academy players a chance.

Academy players do get a chance. They go to clubs like Burnley where they get more games.

Also, just look at how uncompetitive the Bundesliga is and how all the best Germans play for Bayern (or eventually will). This isn't what the PL needs.

 

[Cheadle_hulmeBlue]

If half your squad has to be HG then fuck me, if you think English players are expensive now just wait...

Add another 50%


I take it all current HG players will remain HG until they retire, right? Players already playing professionally can't suddenly change to foreigners in a few years if this BS goes through. The amount of disruption would be crazy

isn't that the point though its would force clubs to give academy players a chance.

Academy players do get a chance. They go to clubs like Burnley where they get more games.

Also, just look at how uncompetitive the Bundesliga is and how all the best Germans play for Bayern (or eventually will). This isn't what the PL needs.

no they dont we barely ever give our young players games, thats also the point they can't get games at top clubs anymore and are being blocked by average foreign players . you could say the same of the prem theres two or three teams every year that compete for the league and thats it, in germany over the past ten years its the same. ( I think theres been more german teams who have won the league in the past ten years then prem teams tho ?

If half your squad has to be HG then fuck me, if you think English players are expensive now just wait...

Add another 50%


I take it all current HG players will remain HG until they retire, right? Players already playing professionally can't suddenly change to foreigners in a few years if this BS goes through. The amount of disruption would be crazy

isn't that the point though its would force clubs to give academy players a chance.

But won't the managers and coaches at the clubs know if their academy players are good enough or not? Forcing teams to play English players who are not at the club's required standard is bad policy whichever way you look at it.

I pay my S/T money to watch City not England. If we bring quality English players through our academy, fine. If they're Mancs, even better but if they're not good enough I expect City to find players who are good enough regardless of nationality.

I agree they have to be good enough, but there are lots of examples where players who are good enough aren't being given a chance at many clubs. Harry Kane up until this season was not being given a chance at all despite his goal scoring record at u21s, it took spurs to pretty much have no strikers and a youth team coach to give him a chance, if avb was still there he wouldn't have played. Your kinda agreeing with me then and I'm sure 90% of city fans would, that they want to see more local players in the team, nothing wrong with that. This could help that

 

[Cobwebcat]

Those that are agreeing with Rag Dyke need only substitute the word teachers for footballers and read their daft argument again.

The world has moved on.

 

[moomba]

no they dont we barely ever give our young players games, thats also the point they can't get games at top clubs anymore and are being blocked by average foreign players.

Instead top clubs will buy average English players and have them sit on the bench backing up better foreign players instead of play week in week out for their clubs.

isn't that the point though its would force clubs to give academy players a chance.

No it won't. We'll just buy in the best English players instead of promote players that arent good enough or not ready.

Worth mentioning also that some of our best academy players will have less of an opportunity under this rule.

I agree they have to be good enough, but there are lots of examples where players who are good enough aren't being given a chance at many clubs. Harry Kane up until this season was not being given a chance at all despite his goal scoring record at u21s, it took spurs to pretty much have no strikers and a youth team coach to give him a chance, if avb was still there he wouldn't have played.

Harry Kane got his chance under the current rules. Using him as proof that English players are being denied opportunity is baffling.

Maybe also he wouldnt have got those loan moves that allowed him to develop if clubs were forced to keep token Englishmen on their books.

 

[woolleyback blue]

Correct me if I'm wrong but even when England could call on the "golden generation" at the scum who were the most successful team in the PL they never got near to winning anything. The scum during that era bought expensive foreign players as well as hovering up any English talent and yet they only managed 2 CL titles both won in less than exemplary fashion. England routinely wasted talent by managers trying to get skilful players to play to a kick and rush style instead of finding ways to incorporate the talented ones.

Dyke's proposals are a blueprint for a mediocre PL full of teams with absolutely no chance of winning the CL and an England who will be just as mediocre. its dumbing down on a grand scale.

If you want to improve then it needs to go back to the grass roots and stop any competitive football till kids reach at least 12 ( I'd prefer 16 myself) and let them concentrate on skills and football awareness.

 

[blueinsa]

Why have we not seen one Journo or football commentator state what we are all saying here and turn this back on the FA as it is their refusal to spend the money on quality grass roots coaching that is hurting the England team, nothing else.

 

[CityFan94]

Harry Kane got a chance because he was scoring goals left, right and centre in the cup competitions.

He's a really weird example to use. Players should have to earn the right to play in the first team, no matter what nationality they are. Kane earned his opportunity and he grabbed it with both hands.

 

[I'm With Stupid]

When did the previous set of homegrown rules come in? The one where you need 8 homegrown players. Wasn't it last summer? Maybe it should be given more than one year to have an effect before they start moaning that it hasn't worked.

 

[Newman Noggs]

If the Premier League are stupid enough to allow this, it would have to be implemented over a substantial transition phase because the corollary to the price of English players going through the roof would be that the price of overseas players on existing long-term contracts would fall through the floor. I think we all know which club would be hardest hit by such proposals.

 

[ninjamonkey]

How do these people get to such a position of power to make these ridiculous rules? The premier league has been marketed as the best league in the world, yet how can anybody expect such a high percentage of the best players in the world to be from these shores? it's just retarded. You can't have it both ways, If these rules are implemented you might get a handful of extra mediocre English players come through in 5-10 years at best, it's not going to produce more world class talents. More talent can be produce through playing with the best the world has to offer from an early age and to have the best coaching and facilities possible. That's what needs to be looked, the coaching, both in terms of quality and quantity in the leagues producing the best homegrown talent is vastly superior to what we have in this country.

 

[Newman Noggs]

How do these people get to such a position of power.

By invitation. It's incestuous and it's corrupt and its aim is to preserve the status quo whatever the cost.

 

[squirtyflower]

Saw an article on Wednesday that had the last five England managers backing the measure

But, more worrying, was an article yesterday showing Premier Leagu bosses in full support of the quota, until I read which giants of the PL were in support:
Alan Pardew
Tim Sherwood
Roberto Martinez (but really all he said is English players should be better)

and, wait for it, the man the bestest manager ever to grace these shores

Steve Bruce!

The article, not surprisingly, was on Sky Sports.
With these giants of the modern game, all known for their silky skills on the pitch and exciting, attacking, skilful football teams they have created they will listen to them.

 

[Centurions]

Saw an article on Wednesday that had the last five England managers backing the measure

But, more worrying, was an article yesterday showing Premier Leagu bosses in full support of the quota, until I read which giants of the PL were in support:
Alan Pardew
Tim Sherwood
Roberto Martinez (but really all he said is English players should be better)

and, wait for it, the man the bestest manager ever to grace these shores

Steve Bruce!

The article, not surprisingly, was on Sky Sports.
With these giants of the modern game, all known for their silky skills on the pitch and exciting, attacking, skilful football teams they have created they will listen to them.

I was going to post that myself: http://www1.skysports.com/football/...mier-league-bosses-back-greg-dykes-quota-plan

The majority of top-flight managers support having a quota of English players to boost the amount of home-grown talent.

The 'majority' according to Sky being the 4 named above (plus Fat Sam, you missed him out) and they named Wenger and Gary Monk as being against it. So 5 to 2 is definitely a majority, I wonder what happened to the other 13 managers?

 

[southamptonblue]

It will certainly improve the standard of English talent..........everyone must remember ROMANIA / HUNGARY / BULGARIA excelling at the last couple of Euros and World cups, because their leagues are full of homegrown players?????

What this shows up most......is one reason England have won fuck all is that people like Hoddle are seen as some sort of tactical/footballing genius,who shouldn't be lost to the game.......he's certainly transformed QPR with his knowledge.

Most of those managers are frauds who steal/stole a living out of football......yet are hyped upto god like status by the media

 

[Cheadle_hulmeBlue]

It will certainly improve the standard of English talent..........everyone must remember ROMANIA / HUNGARY / BULGARIA excelling at the last couple of Euros and World cups, because their leagues are full of homegrown players?????

What this shows up most......is one reason England have won fuck all is that people like Hoddle are seen as some sort of tactical/footballing genius,who shouldn't be lost to the game.......he's certainly transformed QPR with his knowledge.

Most of those managers are frauds who steal/stole a living out of football......yet are hyped upto god like status by the media

how is that even an argument. What about spain, germany, italy, france leagues where the majority of the players are from that country ?

 

[squirtyflower]

It will certainly improve the standard of English talent..........everyone must remember ROMANIA / HUNGARY / BULGARIA excelling at the last couple of Euros and World cups, because their leagues are full of homegrown players?????

What this shows up most......is one reason England have won fuck all is that people like Hoddle are seen as some sort of tactical/footballing genius,who shouldn't be lost to the game.......he's certainly transformed QPR with his knowledge.

Most of those managers are frauds who steal/stole a living out of football......yet are hyped upto god like status by the media

how is that even an argument. What about spain, germany, italy, france leagues where the majority of the players are from that country ?

one point that could be drawn from it is that it's not the number of homegrown players in the squad that makes a difference, but it is the quality of those players
And the quality is improved with good coaching

 

[moomba]

It will certainly improve the standard of English talent..........everyone must remember ROMANIA / HUNGARY / BULGARIA excelling at the last couple of Euros and World cups, because their leagues are full of homegrown players?????

What this shows up most......is one reason England have won fuck all is that people like Hoddle are seen as some sort of tactical/footballing genius,who shouldn't be lost to the game.......he's certainly transformed QPR with his knowledge.

Most of those managers are frauds who steal/stole a living out of football......yet are hyped upto god like status by the media

how is that even an argument. What about spain, germany, italy, france leagues where the majority of the players are from that country ?

Three of those sides had shit world cups.

 

[Cheadle_hulmeBlue]

It will certainly improve the standard of English talent..........everyone must remember ROMANIA / HUNGARY / BULGARIA excelling at the last couple of Euros and World cups, because their leagues are full of homegrown players?????

What this shows up most......is one reason England have won fuck all is that people like Hoddle are seen as some sort of tactical/footballing genius,who shouldn't be lost to the game.......he's certainly transformed QPR with his knowledge.

Most of those managers are frauds who steal/stole a living out of football......yet are hyped upto god like status by the media

how is that even an argument. What about spain, germany, italy, france leagues where the majority of the players are from that country ?

Three of those sides had shit world cups.

suppose but italy won it in 2006, then got to the euro final, spain won it in 2010 and won the euros and germany won it in brazil.