Fat burning supplements

didactic said:
brooklandsblue2.0 said:
Well this is my problem I think, I played football to a good standard which meant I was training/playing 5 times a week until Jan 2011 when I suffered a dislocated knee this means I now hardly play at all. I was always in very good condition and as I trained a lot I could eat whatever I wanted but after the injury I still kept on eating the same as a force of habit yet could not burn it off! I went from 11.5 stone to 13.5. Im now 13 and have added decent muscle mass just need to get rid of a bit of fat. Im training hard nut diet is deffo an issue, I'm doing a lot of swimming and the first thing I want to do afterwards is eat and Im clearly eating the wrong things!

Well you seem to know your problem just make sure you do the right amount of cardio with your weight training. 10 minutes on the incline stepper at its highest level at a brisk pace after your work out. Eat the right food and limit your alcohol intake. Or train harder when you know you have had a session. Dont mess with these fat burners your body knows and responds to things naturally dont start messing around with that. You will only regret it later in life on that note im off to the gym. Good luck.

The alcohol is a big one as well, the lifestyle I lead means I am out quite a lot more than most people and most of the time booze is involved, suppose I just need to have some will power.

Re The Stepper is that a good fat burner? Im going on the cross trainer or spinning tonight 30 and 45 mins respectively- never go on the stepper or rower, would you advise I do 30 mins on it?
 
I think much of it (effective OTC products) is based on increasing your basal thermal rate....ECA (ephedrine, caffeine, aspirin) features in many if the products.

IMO your better off eating clean meals, and maximising your calorie burn through exercise.
 
I used to take some 'fat strippers', a few years back. I did lose some weight. However, once I had finished my capsules, I took a month off and quite quickly put the weight back on. I then started a new batch and I was advised, poorly, to start 'double dropping' the capsules. I started to notice mood changes (to do with the amount of caffiene, I presume) sometimes my heart also felt a little fluttery. I stopped taking them after this, did some research and they are actually quite bad for your heart. In the last 12months, I have been working out 4times a week, cycling to and from work and eating more Vegetables and Fruit. Also, increased my water intake and have gone from 14st to 11st. I am looking into taking a protein supplement, a recovery one preferably. (CNP Pro-Recover)

It does show that when you nail both your diet and excercise, it all falls into place. I tried countless 'quick fixes'....Hardwork is KING!

Go hard or go home!
 
I tried some 'Grenade' and all they did was give me chronic heartburn and make me throw up everytime I went to the gym before work!

I've hit a rut now and don't seem to lose or gain, sick of looking like a barrel though, i'm 5'3 and 90kg dead and cannot shift any weight no matter what my diet is, i'm wide shouldered and just seem to be getting bulkier rather than losing any weight but i'm becoming out of proportion :/ any advice guys?
 
SiWatts90 said:
I tried some 'Grenade' and all they did was give me chronic heartburn and make me throw up everytime I went to the gym before work!

I've hit a rut now and don't seem to lose or gain, sick of looking like a barrel though, i'm 5'3 and 90kg dead and cannot shift any weight no matter what my diet is, i'm wide shouldered and just seem to be getting bulkier rather than losing any weight but i'm becoming out of proportion :/ any advice guys?


Try eating smaller meals. 5 per day...SMALL PORTIONS! No carbs after 1pm.
Drink lots of water.
Also, what cardio do you do? Try doing it first thing, before eating. This way, you hit the fat stores, as you have been fasting through the night whilst you sleep.

Breakfast
2 boiled eggs 1 wholemeal toast.

Mid morning snack
Fruit, 1 piece.

Lunch
Natural yoghurt, granola/oats (muisili) Get blueberries in this.

OR

Tuna/Chicken/Salmon and Salad/Veg. (Sandwich is fine every now and then or with a little Whole Pasta or Brown Rice)

Snack (if needed)
Nuts (hanful of of almonds and Walnuts) Not a whole bag!!!

Dinner
Meat/Fish and Vegetables/Salad
(Red meat no more than twice a week)
Salmon, Chicken and Turkey are your best friends!!!!
 
TommyBenarbia said:
Try eating smaller meals. 5 per day...SMALL PORTIONS! No carbs after 1pm.
Drink lots of water.
Also, what cardio do you do? Try doing it first thing, before eating. This way, you hit the fat stores, as you have been fasting through the night whilst you sleep.

Breakfast
2 boiled eggs 1 wholemeal toast.

Mid morning snack
Fruit, 1 piece.

Lunch
Natural yoghurt, granola/oats (muisili) Get blueberries in this.

OR

Tuna/Chicken/Salmon and Salad/Veg. (Sandwich is fine every now and then or with a little Whole Pasta or Brown Rice)

Snack (if needed)
Nuts (hanful of of almonds and Walnuts) Not a whole bag!!!

Dinner
Meat/Fish and Vegetables/Salad
(Red meat no more than twice a week)
Salmon, Chicken and Turkey are your best friends!!!!

cheers mate I will give that a bash, think my meal sizes are big to be honest! I like everything you have suggested there though so I can probably stick to that, the more I read online the more frustrated I get because a lot of the suggested meal plans involve stuff I don't like eating haha

do you ever get hungry or does drinking water help that? I only ask as I reckon my snacking comes from working on my own most of the day and just snacking when i'm in my van etc mainly because I can!

On the cardio front I either go on the treadmill or cycle to gym before weights
cheers again
 
SiWatts90 said:
TommyBenarbia said:
Try eating smaller meals. 5 per day...SMALL PORTIONS! No carbs after 1pm.
Drink lots of water.
Also, what cardio do you do? Try doing it first thing, before eating. This way, you hit the fat stores, as you have been fasting through the night whilst you sleep.

Breakfast
2 boiled eggs 1 wholemeal toast.

Mid morning snack
Fruit, 1 piece.

Lunch
Natural yoghurt, granola/oats (muisili) Get blueberries in this.

OR

Tuna/Chicken/Salmon and Salad/Veg. (Sandwich is fine every now and then or with a little Whole Pasta or Brown Rice)

Snack (if needed)
Nuts (hanful of of almonds and Walnuts) Not a whole bag!!!

Dinner
Meat/Fish and Vegetables/Salad
(Red meat no more than twice a week)
Salmon, Chicken and Turkey are your best friends!!!!

cheers mate I will give that a bash, think my meal sizes are big to be honest! I like everything you have suggested there though so I can probably stick to that, the more I read online the more frustrated I get because a lot of the suggested meal plans involve stuff I don't like eating haha

do you ever get hungry or does drinking water help that? I only ask as I reckon my snacking comes from working on my own most of the day and just snacking when i'm in my van etc mainly because I can!

cheers again

No worries, Blue.

Water definitely helps with the hunger. However, as you are eating more meals, there is less time inbetween to feel hungry. You have to nail the portion sizes, though. Because you are eating more often but smaller portions, you are igniting your metabolism but not giving it a big fuck off meal to deal with. Smaller amounts, more often, keep it burning throughout the day.

A tip for the hunger stuff. If you drink hot drinks, feel free to have your coffee or tea. Semi or straight Skimmed milk though. Be mindful of that. Nothing wrong with a glass of milk either. That can be filling. Do you take protien supplements?

What cardio do you do?
 
No worries, Blue.

Water definitely helps with the hunger. However, as you are eating more meals, there is less time inbetween to feel hungry. You have to nail the portion sizes, though. Because you are eating more often but smaller portions, you are igniting your metabolism but not giving it a big fuck off meal to deal with. Smaller amounts, more often, keep it burning throughout the day.

A tip for the hunger stuff. If you drink hot drinks, feel free to have your coffee or tea. Semi or straight Skimmed milk though. Be mindful of that. Nothing wrong with a glass of milk either. That can be filling. Do you take protien supplements?

What cardio do you do?

I don't drink coffee but do like a tea in the morning, I can drink green tea instead though as I don't find the taste that offensive (I know some don't like it) I was on whey protein (not cheapy stuff, Reflex) but as I said before, I was putting on a lot of mass but I want to get rid of the excess weight then start again building the muscle, still doing weights but no where near as I was before. I think my main problem was building muscle and ridding myself of fat at the same time is impossible and with me being stocky (short and fat then...) I was fighting a losing battle.

Cardio wise either cycle to the gym or treadmill once i'm there before weights. Something has finally clicked where I know I will stick to it this time, looking in the mirror i;ve started to get myself down because of it!

thanks again Blue :)
 
TommyBenarbia said:
SiWatts90 said:
TommyBenarbia said:
Try eating smaller meals. 5 per day...SMALL PORTIONS! No carbs after 1pm.
Drink lots of water.
Also, what cardio do you do? Try doing it first thing, before eating. This way, you hit the fat stores, as you have been fasting through the night whilst you sleep.

Breakfast
2 boiled eggs 1 wholemeal toast.

Mid morning snack
Fruit, 1 piece.

Lunch
Natural yoghurt, granola/oats (muisili) Get blueberries in this.

OR

Tuna/Chicken/Salmon and Salad/Veg. (Sandwich is fine every now and then or with a little Whole Pasta or Brown Rice)

Snack (if needed)
Nuts (hanful of of almonds and Walnuts) Not a whole bag!!!

Dinner
Meat/Fish and Vegetables/Salad
(Red meat no more than twice a week)
Salmon, Chicken and Turkey are your best friends!!!!

cheers mate I will give that a bash, think my meal sizes are big to be honest! I like everything you have suggested there though so I can probably stick to that, the more I read online the more frustrated I get because a lot of the suggested meal plans involve stuff I don't like eating haha

do you ever get hungry or does drinking water help that? I only ask as I reckon my snacking comes from working on my own most of the day and just snacking when i'm in my van etc mainly because I can!

cheers again

No worries, Blue.

Water definitely helps with the hunger. However, as you are eating more meals, there is less time inbetween to feel hungry. You have to nail the portion sizes, though. Because you are eating more often but smaller portions, you are igniting your metabolism but not giving it a big fuck off meal to deal with. Smaller amounts, more often, keep it burning throughout the day.

A tip for the hunger stuff. If you drink hot drinks, feel free to have your coffee or tea. Semi or straight Skimmed milk though. Be mindful of that. Nothing wrong with a glass of milk either. That can be filling. Do you take protien supplements?

What cardio do you do?

Sorry, just read your cardio bit. Must have missed it.

Just make sure at least 3 times a week you're getting a good sweat on 30-45mins. Changing your speed a lot and messing with your heart rate. Keep it interesting...

Incline to decline-treadmill
Sprints on/off-treadmill/bike/rower

Mix it up, keeps you interested and your body guessing.

An interesting idea for you. Try doing more bodyweight workouts. It's psycological, you are heavy to lift at 90kg. Therefore, the more weight you drop the easier those chin ups or press ups will be. This will keep you motivated on both fronts. (diet and excercise) Youtube for chin up or press up excercises, they have ones that will show you beginner to pro style workouts. Try and work your way through them, always reach for that extra rep!

Also, increase you reps and decrease the amount of weight you lift. 'To failure' workouts....take a look.
 
TommyBenarbia said:
Sorry, just read your cardio bit. Must have missed it.

Just make sure at least 3 times a week you're getting a good sweat on 30-45mins. Changing your speed a lot and messing with your heart rate. Keep it interesting...

Incline to decline-treadmill
Sprints on/off-treadmill/bike/rower

Mix it up, keeps you interested and your body guessing.

An interesting idea for you. Try doing more bodyweight workouts. It's psycological, you are heavy to lift at 90kg. Therefore, the more weight you drop the easier those chin ups or press ups will be. This will keep you motivated on both fronts. (diet and excercise) Youtube for chin up or press up excercises, they have ones that will show you beginner to pro style workouts. Try and work your way through them, always reach for that extra rep!

Also, increase you reps and decrease the amount of weight you lift. 'To failure' workouts....take a look.

Awesome, thanks for your help mate, will try a few of the thing you suggested and watch a few Youtube vids as well, you've helped motivate me! cheers
 
SiWatts90 said:
TommyBenarbia said:
Sorry, just read your cardio bit. Must have missed it.

Just make sure at least 3 times a week you're getting a good sweat on 30-45mins. Changing your speed a lot and messing with your heart rate. Keep it interesting...

Incline to decline-treadmill
Sprints on/off-treadmill/bike/rower

Mix it up, keeps you interested and your body guessing.

An interesting idea for you. Try doing more bodyweight workouts. It's psycological, you are heavy to lift at 90kg. Therefore, the more weight you drop the easier those chin ups or press ups will be. This will keep you motivated on both fronts. (diet and excercise) Youtube for chin up or press up excercises, they have ones that will show you beginner to pro style workouts. Try and work your way through them, always reach for that extra rep!

Also, increase you reps and decrease the amount of weight you lift. 'To failure' workouts....take a look.

Awesome, thanks for your help mate, will try a few of the thing you suggested and watch a few Youtube vids as well, you've helped motivate me! cheers

Good. Let us know how you get on.
Nice one!
 
A good a place as any to start with are Maximuscle Thermabols. They are about £30-35 for 30 day supply.

You lose a steady 3-4lb a week on these, not the crazy drops you get with t5's which are quite frankly unsustainable and unhealthy. From experience there are no unpleasant side effects either. They don't taste too good but that's about it.

Make sure you are still getting plenty of clean protein and drinking lots of water though. Increase your rep range on the weights to 10-12 reps with 30-45 second rest periods. Keep your cardio intense and no more than 30 mins a session - keep to interval training. Intensity is the key, do not do long steady runs. This is route one to losing the muscle you already have.

You want to get in and out and burning that fat, not eat into your muscle supply.

Do this for 30 days and you'll see some serious changes.
 
They flashed up this morning on BBC 1 a trailer for Panorama this week, investigating fitness supplements and the like. I didn't see which night it's on, and I don't usually watch it, but it looks like a 'must see' for contributors to this thread.
 

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