Feyenoord (H) | CL | Post Match Thread

We just can't defend at the moment. Gutting result tonight. I think the league has gone, just hoping for a draw at the weekend even that would be a miracle.
 
And on the subject of the subs, it was not the time to be putting Macatee and Simpson Pusey on the pitch, when we’ve got such fragile confidence. Certainly not when we’ve got Walker, Dias and Savinho available.

Get the game won.

That said, I’m also staggered that once we conceded Pep didn’t get Dias or Walker in the pitch to batten down the hatches.
 
David White said:
Shite ending to a game we actually did alright in, not brilliantly in, just alright in up until their first goal and then it was as clear as day we’d crumble.

He was right to make changes at 3 nil with 15 minutes to go against a team that hadn’t troubled us whatsoever until they scored. But those frailties are going to be exposed time and again unfortunately. I wouldn't have expected our under 13’s to draw the game from that point in all honesty with some proper game management.

Individual mistakes gave those goals away tonight. But with a team low on confidence as soon as that first goes in we should have shut up shop, changed the shape and let the game run its course. Instead we just carried on with plan A, as it’s the only plan we have and well, you know the rest.

Our defensive shape is non existent and if we do bother to make a challenge it’s an apologetic one. I’d fucking love to know what we do in training. I suspect it’s rondo, rondo and a bit of rondo. We sure as hell aren’t practicing defensive work.

I’d play a 4 5 1 on Sunday, but actually a back 4. Not wing backs, inverted midfielders or any other complicated shit, not because it’s the scousers, but because we need to shore it up and stop the rot and the players we have currently available cannot defend whilst playing in this system. We saw tonight on occasion, admittedly against weaker opposition than usual, that if we play forward passes instead of twatting about side to side for 6 minutes to gain 40 yards we can actually create real chances, so going heavier at the back should help us in more ways than one.
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Spot on.
 
Mr. Shush said:
We're looking for answers here, mate. Players don't suddenly switch off when subs are made. We collapsed when the subs were made. You don't magically lose form in 5 minutes.

The subs that would have made better sense would have been to sub Gvardiol off for Simpson-Pusey. And then move Ake out to the left where he normally plays. And then play a straight back 4. No one goes up. The Gundo for KDB sub also didn't make sense to me since KDB doesn't play the 6 spot. That means that either McAtee has to play back or Nunes had to. Or Rico or Akanji needed to move up. It was a circus in the back the last 15 minutes. The subs made it so.
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I don’t disagree mate, but that’s on the manager for not changing the system and for telling the players where to go. If we shut up shop after we concede it doesn’t happen.
 
Mr. Shush said:
We're looking for answers here, mate. Players don't suddenly switch off when subs are made. We collapsed when the subs were made. You don't magically lose form in 5 minutes.
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Yet somehow, that's exactly what we did.
Mr. Shush said:
The subs that would have made better sense would have been to sub Gvardiol off for Simpson-Pusey. And then move Ake out to the left where he normally plays. And then play a straight back 4. No one goes up. The Gundo for KDB sub also didn't make sense to me since KDB doesn't play the 6 spot. That means that either McAtee has to play back or Nunes had to. Or Rico or Akanji needed to move up. It was a circus in the back the last 15 minutes. The subs made it so.
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Guessing Pep is thinking of fitness status and risk of injury. Ake not long back and had a few injuries of late. 3-0 up nothing wrong with taking him off at that stage.

All the game needed was Joso Gvardiol and Ederson not to completely implode, but that's what happened.
 
Came in and put tv on after two medical emergencies today, one for me and one for the missus, both doing better now thanks. Saw that City were 3-0 up and said right, we can have a nice relaxing evening at home now.
 
Rammy Blue said:
And on the subject of the subs, it was not the time to be putting Macatee and Simpson Pusey on the pitch, when we’ve got such fragile confidence. Certainly not when we’ve got Walker, Dias and Savinho available.

Get the game won.

That said, I’m also staggered that once we conceded Pep didn’t get Dias or Walker in the pitch to batten down the hatches.
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Walker - batten down the hatches? Did you see him at the weekend?
 
Just home from the game. Gvardiol needs saving from himself at the moment. Salah could destroy him and Sunday and mentally that could be a long way back. Was worrying how quickly his head dropped after his first clanger that gifted them their first. He then obviously was poor for the second, but for me Ederson was equally culpable there too. Don't like digging out individuals but I'm sorry Grealish for £100m gets worse all the time. One plus for me was Phil. Looked at bit more at it today. This season looks like it's gonna ne a slog, so time to dig in.
 
I bet Pep is thinking why didn’t I go out on a high. He must be so disappointed with these players.
 
SamTheGuru said:
It is easy to forget that the treble winning season was pretty much a write off at this point.
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I'm not sure we were quite this bad but you are right. I remember thinking we'd be lucky if we won one trophy and made the top four we were underperforming so badly. The difference is this team are all two years older and certainly without Rodri we don't have it in us to put a fifteen game winning run together. After Sunday it will probably be too late anyway. We'll be eleven points behind Liverpool and we aren't making that up. Obviously I pray I am eating these words in a few weeks but sadly I don't think I will.
 
SamBlue said:
He is barely on the touchline anymore!
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Hardly surprising when they’re not doing what’s asked of them or what they’ve spent years training to do.
He’s fuming and rightly so.
Better him going sitting down and ranting to his assistants than abusing his players like Mancini used to.
 
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