Feyenoord (H) | CL | Post Match Thread

coolcity said:
Sorry but not a single manager in the world would think it's foolish and naive to bring on a kid at that stage. Managers have been doing that for decades in the CL to give them experience when in a comfortable lead. If you cant do that at 3-0 up when can you do it?

At least 2 of the goals were Gvardiol mistakes, the pass to McAtee with the players around him in the central defensive position was horrendous. For some reason we're panicking once the ball is in our half and we're under a bit of pressure and in the last couple of matches he seems to be the worst.

I think when we get the fully fit players back we'll be fine, Stones doesn't panic, Diaz doesn't panic, and some of the goals we've conceded have been half chances that normally wouldn't happen. I would put all three of their goals last night in that bracket but as we know more than most, when things are not going for you it's tough.
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All fair comments, however, even when 3-0 up, we needed the confidence of a clean sheet (we've let 2 goals in 6 games in a row?) and there was no need to change the back 4. it's not like we haven't experienced late game collapses this season already.
 
JewelZee said:
For many this collapse (and that's what it is no matter what anyone chooses to call it)_was as unexpected as it's been shocking.
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But your assumptions and opinions are based on this current run of form being a "collapse", which is a matter of semantics and therefore very hard to actually prove. It's quite easy to dismiss your view - which isn't particularly balanced anyway - because it's based on something that might not actually be true. You can keep saying it's a collapse over and over and over but that won't bring your vision of things into actuality. You can't just say "It's a collapse no matter what anyone says and I'm right" and expect anyone to take your POV seriously. The fact that you're claiming to be experiencing actual mental pain over this as well surely shows your opinion isn't completely rational. November has sucked arsed for City this season but talking about a run of six games where injuries have mounted up to unprecedented levels as if it's the end of days is making it quite hard for people to actually hear what you've got to say, especially when you simply won't hear an argument from the other side that things might level out soon and turn out alright.
 
JewelZee said:
To be fair I think most are in shock mainly because what you are calling a difficult period is really a complete collapse. We're experiencing an utterly embarrassing loss of all form. A manager who has mainly always had it go his way seems completely lost for answers and if anything is contributing to this debacle with all type of dubious decisions one would not expect from someone with his track record. For many this collapse (and that's what it is no matter what anyone chooses to call it)_was as unexpected as it's been shocking. The fact that there is no indication that the club they've known for the past decade plus will be returning any time soon has created a panic among many supporters.
Personally I think we're in big trouble in terms being a top club competing for big honors with zero assurances that we'll get back to that level any time soon if ever. I'm not trying to be negative, just realistic in recognizing we may be witnessing the end of an era. Again, all good things must come to an end but you can't necessarily blame our supporters for being in shock at the suddenness of this utterly shambolic collapse...JMO
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This post is worse than some of the defending from last night, which is saying something.
 
JewelZee said:
To be fair I think most are in shock mainly because what you are calling a difficult period is really a complete collapse. We're experiencing an utterly embarrassing loss of all form. A manager who has mainly always had it go his way seems completely lost for answers and if anything is contributing to this debacle with all type of dubious decisions one would not expect from someone with his track record. For many this collapse (and that's what it is no matter what anyone chooses to call it)_was as unexpected as it's been shocking. The fact that there is no indication that the club they've known for the past decade plus will be returning any time soon has created a panic among many supporters.
Personally I think we're in big trouble in terms being a top club competing for big honors with zero assurances that we'll get back to that level any time soon if ever. I'm not trying to be negative, just realistic in recognizing we may be witnessing the end of an era. Again, all good things must come to an end but you can't necessarily blame our supporters for being in shock at the suddenness of this utterly shambolic collapse...JMO

That said anything derogatory anyone chooses to direct at me for giving my honest opinion will be a drop in the ocean compared to the pain I'm feeling watching this unfold. In the immortal words of Lord Tennyson "It's better to have dominated and lost then never to have dominated at all"...or something like that.
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You’re genuinely the worst poster on this forum.

Probably harsh from my side since you’re clearly of a low intelligence level.

Currently looking at your post history from previous instances of poor form and boy is it something….relentless attacks on Pep whenever we don’t win even in seasons where we won the league…
 
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JewelZee said:
To be fair I think most are in shock mainly because what you are calling a difficult period is really a complete collapse. We're experiencing an utterly embarrassing loss of all form. A manager who has mainly always had it go his way seems completely lost for answers and if anything is contributing to this debacle with all type of dubious decisions one would not expect from someone with his track record. For many this collapse (and that's what it is no matter what anyone chooses to call it)_was as unexpected as it's been shocking. The fact that there is no indication that the club they've known for the past decade plus will be returning any time soon has created a panic among many supporters.
Personally I think we're in big trouble in terms being a top club competing for big honors with zero assurances that we'll get back to that level any time soon if ever. I'm not trying to be negative, just realistic in recognizing we may be witnessing the end of an era. Again, all good things must come to an end but you can't necessarily blame our supporters for being in shock at the suddenness of this utterly shambolic collapse...JMO

That said anything derogatory anyone chooses to direct at me for giving my honest opinion will be a drop in the ocean compared to the pain I'm feeling watching this unfold. In the immortal words of Lord Tennyson "It's better to have dominated and lost then never to have dominated at all"...or something like that.
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You never change.

Here’s how you were towards Pep the season we won the treble.

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East Level 2 said:
I don't think the subs were the problem as Feyenoord had offered almost nothing in the first 70 minutes. The defensive mistakes stuffed us.
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Making the subs was clearly the issue as it destroyed the balance of the team The mistake were a consequence of the subs Before the subs 3:0 after the subs 3:3 simple evidence
 
SWPISHOME said:
I meant we conceded 3 goals in 15 minutes my bad.

Pep has made these types of substitutions on numerous occasions in the past when we are winning by a large scoreline, It's not noticed then as we were once a team that could see the game out with ease as we were the best at game management.

I understand your points of trying to get the players mojo back it's completely understandable, We've been complaining lately of fatigue and injuries and he made the changes because of which looking ahead to Sunday.

Those changes didn't make Gvardiol have a brain fart for the first two goals, That's what changed the game, Not the substitutes.
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Pep has rarely made 3 subs and when he has the team has been on form which they plainly are not
The subs affecting the balance of the team resulted in more pressure from the opponents leading to the mistakes
 
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