FFPR in a nutshell

[Prestwich_Blue]

Does it matter if your investors or sponsors are going into debt to push money into a club or are all financial transactions viewed on face value ?

The only issue with fair value is if it involves a "related party". If BP want to pay us £200m they can under FFPR. Whether they would do that is another matter entirely.

 

[fbloke]

Does it matter if your investors or sponsors are going into debt to push money into a club or are all financial transactions viewed on face value ?

The only issue with fair value is if it involves a "related party". If BP want to pay us £200m they can under FFPR. Whether they would do that is another matter entirely.

I chose BP as an obvious link to the oil industry.

But as I said earlier there are all manner of companies that could easily be convinced hat sponsoring City would be worthwhile.

WRNH - the fact is simple fella City's owners and the wider family of people, companies and indeed countries are important to people with no interest in football at all.

 

[WNRH]

Does it matter if your investors or sponsors are going into debt to push money into a club or are all financial transactions viewed on face value ?

The only issue with fair value is if it involves a "related party". If BP want to pay us £200m they can under FFPR. Whether they would do that is another matter entirely.

I chose BP as an obvious link to the oil industry.

But as I said earlier there are all manner of companies that could easily be convinced hat sponsoring City would be worthwhile.

WRNH - the fact is simple fella City's owners and the wider family of people, companies and indeed countries are important to people with no interest in football at all.

What i am saying is that companies sponsor football clubs to promote their company. If you could sponsor Barca, Madrid or United who have 3x, 5x, 10x or even 20x as many fans as us and have a profile bigger than us worldwide, why would they sponsor Manchester City for £200m? They could sponsor all three of them for £120m without touching us and have 60x more exposure.

Getting 10m or even 20m more maybe but for an astronomical amount like that compared to bigger clubs (brands) would make a mockery of the FFP rules.

 

[Harry Godwin]

If FFPR were to feature in a Shakespeare play it would be
"Much ado about nothing". There is no way UEFA/FIFA
or whoever will apply the ultimate sanction to any of
the so called "big clubs" and I do include City in that.
They have made sure they have a get out clause in order
to avoid it. All a club has to do is show that it is attempting
to meet the FFPR and they won't do anything.

If a challenge to these rules is going to come it will come
from a midtable team like Everton, or the European equivelant,
when they realise that these rules mean the status quo will
never change.

 

[okstate99]

The only issue with fair value is if it involves a "related party". If BP want to pay us £200m they can under FFPR. Whether they would do that is another matter entirely.

I chose BP as an obvious link to the oil industry.

But as I said earlier there are all manner of companies that could easily be convinced hat sponsoring City would be worthwhile.

WRNH - the fact is simple fella City's owners and the wider family of people, companies and indeed countries are important to people with no interest in football at all.

What i am saying is that companies sponsor football clubs to promote their company. If you could sponsor Barca, Madrid or United who have 3x, 5x, 10x or even 20x as many fans as us and have a profile bigger than us worldwide, why would they sponsor Manchester City for £200m? They could sponsor all three of them for £120m without touching us and have 60x more exposure.

Getting 10m or even 20m more maybe but for an astronomical amount like that compared to bigger clubs (brands) would make a mockery of the FFP rules.

Again this has nothing to do with Barca or Real.. He was just giving an example, of something that could happen.

 

[fbloke]

The only issue with fair value is if it involves a "related party". If BP want to pay us £200m they can under FFPR. Whether they would do that is another matter entirely.

I chose BP as an obvious link to the oil industry.

But as I said earlier there are all manner of companies that could easily be convinced hat sponsoring City would be worthwhile.

WRNH - the fact is simple fella City's owners and the wider family of people, companies and indeed countries are important to people with no interest in football at all.

What i am saying is that companies sponsor football clubs to promote their company. If you could sponsor Barca, Madrid or United who have 3x, 5x, 10x or even 20x as many fans as us and have a profile bigger than us worldwide, why would they sponsor Manchester City for £200m? They could sponsor all three of them for £120m without touching us and have 60x more exposure.

Getting 10m or even 20m more maybe but for an astronomical amount like that compared to bigger clubs (brands) would make a mockery of the FFP rules.

I never thought you were so narrow minded and naive mate!

City will push the deals as far as is needed to comply but comply we will.

Thanks to the fact that over 800 companies now have investments in them from Abu Dhabi SWF and Sheikh Mansours family.

If you take

Ferrostaal
Etihad Airways
Etisalat
ADTA
AABAR

Then add

Virgin Galactic
AMD
Tesla Cars
Santander
Daimler

This is just a tip of a few icebergs.

 

[WNRH]

I chose BP as an obvious link to the oil industry.

But as I said earlier there are all manner of companies that could easily be convinced hat sponsoring City would be worthwhile.

WRNH - the fact is simple fella City's owners and the wider family of people, companies and indeed countries are important to people with no interest in football at all.

What i am saying is that companies sponsor football clubs to promote their company. If you could sponsor Barca, Madrid or United who have 3x, 5x, 10x or even 20x as many fans as us and have a profile bigger than us worldwide, why would they sponsor Manchester City for £200m? They could sponsor all three of them for £120m without touching us and have 60x more exposure.

Getting 10m or even 20m more maybe but for an astronomical amount like that compared to bigger clubs (brands) would make a mockery of the FFP rules.

Again this has nothing to do with Barca or Real.. He was just giving an example, of something that could happen.

It has everything to do with Barca and Real as they along with the rags are the most valuable clubs in world football, if we are getting 5 times as much sponsorship than them then it makes a mockery of the FFP rules. If that is the case then Sheffield Wednesday could receive £300m to display Saudi Arabia airlines on their shirts as disguise for being taken over by multi billionaire sheiks.<br /><br />-- Sun May 29, 2011 1:56 am --<br /><br />

I chose BP as an obvious link to the oil industry.

But as I said earlier there are all manner of companies that could easily be convinced hat sponsoring City would be worthwhile.

WRNH - the fact is simple fella City's owners and the wider family of people, companies and indeed countries are important to people with no interest in football at all.

What i am saying is that companies sponsor football clubs to promote their company. If you could sponsor Barca, Madrid or United who have 3x, 5x, 10x or even 20x as many fans as us and have a profile bigger than us worldwide, why would they sponsor Manchester City for £200m? They could sponsor all three of them for £120m without touching us and have 60x more exposure.

Getting 10m or even 20m more maybe but for an astronomical amount like that compared to bigger clubs (brands) would make a mockery of the FFP rules.

I never thought you were so narrow minded and naive mate!

City will push the deals as far as is needed to comply but comply we will.

Thanks to the fact that over 800 companies now have investments in them from Abu Dhabi SWF and Sheikh Mansours family.

If you take

Ferrostaal
Etihad Airways
Etisalat
ADTA
AABAR

Then add

Virgin Galactic
AMD
Tesla Cars
Santander
Daimler

This is just a tip of a few icebergs.

So there are 20 companies willing to sponsor us each for £20m per year? You've got the stadium, shirt sponsors up to three with home, away and european at a push then what? stands? training ground? the bars in the ground? Santander invest £20m in the club and in return they get their name above the car park entrance? If that is the case then why are these rules coming into place if they can be exploited so easily?

 

[Prestwich_Blue]

What i am saying is that companies sponsor football clubs to promote their company. If you could sponsor Barca, Madrid or United who have 3x, 5x, 10x or even 20x as many fans as us and have a profile bigger than us worldwide, why would they sponsor Manchester City for £200m? They could sponsor all three of them for £120m without touching us and have 60x more exposure.

Getting 10m or even 20m more maybe but for an astronomical amount like that compared to bigger clubs (brands) would make a mockery of the FFP rules.

Again this has nothing to do with Barca or Real.. He was just giving an example, of something that could happen.

It has everything to do with Barca and Real as they along with the rags are the most valuable clubs in world football, if we are getting 5 times as much sponsorship than them then it makes a mockery of the FFP rules. If that is the case then Sheffield Wednesday could receive £300m to display Saudi Arabia airlines on their shirts as disguise for being taken over by multi billionaire sheiks.

It was a hypothetical example. They wouldn't but if they wanted to it would be within FFPR.

 

[fbloke]

What i am saying is that companies sponsor football clubs to promote their company. If you could sponsor Barca, Madrid or United who have 3x, 5x, 10x or even 20x as many fans as us and have a profile bigger than us worldwide, why would they sponsor Manchester City for £200m? They could sponsor all three of them for £120m without touching us and have 60x more exposure.

Getting 10m or even 20m more maybe but for an astronomical amount like that compared to bigger clubs (brands) would make a mockery of the FFP rules.

Again this has nothing to do with Barca or Real.. He was just giving an example, of something that could happen.

It has everything to do with Barca and Real as they along with the rags are the most valuable clubs in world football, if we are getting 5 times as much sponsorship than them then it makes a mockery of the FFP rules. If that is the case then Sheffield Wednesday could receive £300m to display Saudi Arabia airlines on their shirts as disguise for being taken over by multi billionaire sheiks.

-- Sun May 29, 2011 1:56 am --

What i am saying is that companies sponsor football clubs to promote their company. If you could sponsor Barca, Madrid or United who have 3x, 5x, 10x or even 20x as many fans as us and have a profile bigger than us worldwide, why would they sponsor Manchester City for £200m? They could sponsor all three of them for £120m without touching us and have 60x more exposure.

Getting 10m or even 20m more maybe but for an astronomical amount like that compared to bigger clubs (brands) would make a mockery of the FFP rules.

I never thought you were so narrow minded and naive mate!

City will push the deals as far as is needed to comply but comply we will.

Thanks to the fact that over 800 companies now have investments in them from Abu Dhabi SWF and Sheikh Mansours family.

If you take

Ferrostaal
Etihad Airways
Etisalat
ADTA
AABAR

Then add

Virgin Galactic
AMD
Tesla Cars
Santander
Daimler

This is just a tip of a few icebergs.

So there are 20 companies willing to sponsor us each for £20m per year? You've got the stadium, shirt sponsors up to three with home, away and european at a push then what? stands? training ground? the bars in the ground? Santander invest £20m in the club and in return they get their name above the car park entrance? If that is the case then why are these rules coming into place if they can be exploited so easily?

THe interesting part of this is that you perhaps still think City are like any other club?

City are owned by hugely wealthy and influential people in a way that no other club is.

Its only really City that can dance around FFPR like this, something we should all appreciate and rejoice.

 

[WNRH]

Again this has nothing to do with Barca or Real.. He was just giving an example, of something that could happen.

It has everything to do with Barca and Real as they along with the rags are the most valuable clubs in world football, if we are getting 5 times as much sponsorship than them then it makes a mockery of the FFP rules. If that is the case then Sheffield Wednesday could receive £300m to display Saudi Arabia airlines on their shirts as disguise for being taken over by multi billionaire sheiks.

-- Sun May 29, 2011 1:56 am --

I never thought you were so narrow minded and naive mate!

City will push the deals as far as is needed to comply but comply we will.

Thanks to the fact that over 800 companies now have investments in them from Abu Dhabi SWF and Sheikh Mansours family.

If you take

Ferrostaal
Etihad Airways
Etisalat
ADTA
AABAR

Then add

Virgin Galactic
AMD
Tesla Cars
Santander
Daimler

This is just a tip of a few icebergs.

So there are 20 companies willing to sponsor us each for £20m per year? You've got the stadium, shirt sponsors up to three with home, away and european at a push then what? stands? training ground? the bars in the ground? Santander invest £20m in the club and in return they get their name above the car park entrance? If that is the case then why are these rules coming into place if they can be exploited so easily?

THe interesting part of this is that you perhaps still think City are like any other club?

City are owned by hugely wealthy and influential people in a way that no other club is.

Its only really City that can dance around FFPR like this, something we should all appreciate and rejoice.

We do not have the brand awareness as Barca, Real or United, it will take years to get to their level, companies pay millions of pounds to football clubs to exploit their brand awareness.

If QPR for example were to announce that 10 companies were each putting £20m into the club and all were connected to their owners would that be allowed?<br /><br />-- Sun May 29, 2011 2:05 am --<br /><br />

Again this has nothing to do with Barca or Real.. He was just giving an example, of something that could happen.

It has everything to do with Barca and Real as they along with the rags are the most valuable clubs in world football, if we are getting 5 times as much sponsorship than them then it makes a mockery of the FFP rules. If that is the case then Sheffield Wednesday could receive £300m to display Saudi Arabia airlines on their shirts as disguise for being taken over by multi billionaire sheiks.

It was a hypothetical example. They wouldn't but if they wanted to it would be within FFPR.

But surely these FFP rules are a waste of time then?