Financial Fair Play/Financial Report (merged)

[BWTAC]

Would FFP not just completely wither and die at the first club to take UEFA to the European Courts on anti-competitive grounds?

I've heard it propounded that as it's UEFA's competition, they have the right to ban clubs that don't conform. However, if the ruling is challenged and, as would be likely, the EU say it breaches their competitive laws, then UEFA can't possibly implement such a ban, can they?

SHATNER

 

[aguero93:20]

Would FFP not just completely wither and die at the first club to take UEFA to the European Courts on anti-competitive grounds?

I've heard it propounded that as it's UEFA's competition, they have the right to ban clubs that don't conform. However, if the ruling is challenged and, as would be likely, the EU say it breaches their competitive laws, then UEFA can't possibly implement such a ban, can they?

SHATNER

arsehole, you've got the Boston legal theme tune stuck in my head now :/

 

[waspish]

The thing with FFP almost all chairman want it

 

[aguero93:20]

Would FFP not just completely wither and die at the first club to take UEFA to the European Courts on anti-competitive grounds?

I've heard it propounded that as it's UEFA's competition, they have the right to ban clubs that don't conform. However, if the ruling is challenged and, as would be likely, the EU say it breaches their competitive laws, then UEFA can't possibly implement such a ban, can they?

most likely, esp. if any clubs seem to be getting preferential treatment. even funnier, it would take about 5 years to sort out, after which the suspended club would be within their rights to sue UEFA for 5 years worth of prizemoney, which would really leave them in the shit.

 

[Stoned Rose]

http://prosoccertalk.nbcsports.com/2014/01/23/chelsea-manchester-city-financial-fair-play/?

interesting take on things.

 

[Bodicoteblue]

http://prosoccertalk.nbcsports.com/2014/01/23/chelsea-manchester-city-financial-fair-play/?

interesting take on things.

Love that rag in the comments section - another one who still doesn't get it!
Also , the author of this piece is geographically challenged - Udinese come from Friuli in N. East Italy , Genoa , where he claims they are based , is on the Ligurian Coast , N. West Italy . Like Newcastle isn't Manchester .

 

[Henkeman]

Would FFP not just completely wither and die at the first club to take UEFA to the European Courts on anti-competitive grounds?

I've heard it propounded that as it's UEFA's competition, they have the right to ban clubs that don't conform. However, if the ruling is challenged and, as would be likely, the EU say it breaches their competitive laws, then UEFA can't possibly implement such a ban, can they?

SHATNER

arsehole, you've got the Boston legal theme tune stuck in my head now :/

You think that ahead of Star Trek?? Weirdo...

 

[I'm no cynic but...]

Well at least I can understand this thread now it's taken a new direction...

I'm up in Scotland and Hollands pies of any description tend to be rare as hens teeth. The local Asda occasionally get them in (more often lately thankfully), we fill a tray in the freezer while we can and then I text a genuine pie eater from Wigan who buys the rest.

Hollands pies, lurvely.

Just so you know, Tesco stock frozen Hollands pies in all stores apparently.

That's better, lets get the thread back on track ;)


Actually our Tesco's don't but they're a very small store indeed. The idiots let Morrisons open a brand new huge store just down the road and between them and the big Asda's, Tesco's look a bit of a joke here.


Edit :- feel free to carry on with FFP by the way ;)

While we are having this pie diversion, why is it that macaroni pies are commonly available at Tesco stores in Scotland, but the moment I cross the border south of Gretna, these items vanish from the face of the earth?

 

[gouldybob]

Just so you know, Tesco stock frozen Hollands pies in all stores apparently.

That's better, lets get the thread back on track ;)


Actually our Tesco's don't but they're a very small store indeed. The idiots let Morrisons open a brand new huge store just down the road and between them and the big Asda's, Tesco's look a bit of a joke here.


Edit :- feel free to carry on with FFP by the way ;)

While we are having this pie diversion, why is it that macaroni pies are commonly available at Tesco stores in Scotland, but the moment I cross the border south of Gretna, these items vanish from the face of the earth?

Because it's a heart attack on a plate. Described as "characteristic of the stodginess of much of Scottish cuisine" but there is always the square pie alternative..... I wonder what veg you have with it?

 

[Damocles]

http://prosoccertalk.nbcsports.com/2014/01/23/chelsea-manchester-city-financial-fair-play/?

interesting take on things.

It's completely wrong. Sick of these twats spouting their shit. I'm going to post over there and see if they allow it.

Hi there. I thought I'd be helpful and list all of the factual and logical mistakes you've made.

1. one of Europe’s big spenders since Abu Dhabi United took over the team in 2008.

City were purchased by Sheikh Mansour, who used a company setup entirely for this investment called Abu Dhabi United Group. Stating that we were taken over by "Abu Dhabi United" is like stating that Man United were taken over by Red Football Limited or Arsenal were taken over by Red & White Holdings. It makes no logical sense.

2. They’ve paid a premium to bring the likes of Yaya Toure, Sergio Aguero and Fernandinho (among others) to greater Manchester

Outside of your assertion that paying £24m for Yaya Toure represents "a premium", Manchester City are not based in Greater Manchester colloquially speaking. Greater Manchester is the county and a recent invention from the 70s. The "Manchester" in Manchester City and United refers to the city of Manchester, a district formed hundreds of years before Greater Manchester.

3. While Abu Dhabi United adds money directly to NYCFC’s coffers, City gets some FFP flexibility they wouldn’t get if their owners were merely writing checks to the club

"Abu Dhabi United" (and from now on I'll just presume that you meant Sheikh Mansour) cannot add money into the coffers of NYCFC because he doesn't own NYCFC. Manchester City own 80% of NYCFC and any losses would appear on their overall books aswell.

As another correction, Sheikh Mansour is one person thus the word "owners" is incorrectly pluralised.

The speculation on this idea of moving loans in that manner is also completely at odds with the stated goals of NYCFC as mentioned by their CEO and I don't think that it would be specifically legal either. You've also essentially invented wage figures for Javi Garcia and Gareth Barry or have sourced them from places that have invented them. Professional soccer teams in England do not release wage information of their players as a matter of confidentiality. The English press guess and they will freely admit this.

4. How many of Europe’s top teams would pay a one-time $100 million fee to have a permanent FFP work around?

Manchester City currently have one of the highest revenues in the world of soccer and this will continue to grow as the new English TV deal comes into force (which almost doubles the high factor of revenue of any PL team), and the revenues from participation in the Champions League continues to grow. In addition to this, their commercial growth is absolutely huge and they are in the midst of expanding their stadium thus their matchday revenue.

The idea that they would spend $100m on an "FFP workaround" is silly because it wouldn't be legal, it wouldn't be economical and it wouldn't actually work.

Your speculations are baseless and your fact checking is poor.