First man on the moon - 45 years ago

[mcmanus]

Can you please explain how the age of some people has any effect whatsoever on the question of did man walk on the moon?

With no offence to Didsbury Dave, he's a fair whack older than me, yet we share the same view. I'm sorry but that argument is almost as thin as your 'never happened' argument.

We're all entitled to our opinion, you have yours, but saying age is a factor is ridiculous. People can study theory and evidence regardless of age (Assuming they are reasonably educated and infants of course)

Because old folk probably watched it on some crap black & white TV and were stunned into believing in the bollocks that it was true. I bet everyone who was over five in 1969 can remember where they first saw the bullshit grainy footage of Armstrong.

Never happened.

The only way to prove it would be to strap you to a rocket flash us a signal went you see the footprints, and have a chat with the Moonmen.

Not a clue what you are actually on about but talking about Moonmen makes me thinks you've either been on the ale or smoking some really good green. Anyway have a good night.

 

[i kne albert davy]

Because old folk probably watched it on some crap black & white TV and were stunned into believing in the bollocks that it was true. I bet everyone who was over five in 1969 can remember where they first saw the bullshit grainy footage of Armstrong.

Never happened.

The only way to prove it would be to strap you to a rocket flash us a signal went you see the footprints, and have a chat with the Moonmen.

Not a clue what you are actually on about but talking about Moonmen makes me thinks you've either been on the ale or smoking some really good green. Anyway have a good night.

I never know what you're rambling about still have a good night.

 

[mcmanus]

The only way to prove it would be to strap you to a rocket flash us a signal went you see the footprints, and have a chat with the Moonmen.

Not a clue what you are actually on about but talking about Moonmen makes me thinks you've either been on the ale or smoking some really good green. Anyway have a good night.

I never know what you're rambling about still have a good night.

Moonmen? It sound sounds like something 'Crazy Old Jimmy' talks about when he is pissed and stoned along with his Kangaraffes (a cross between a kangaroo and a giraffe that he thinks would piss the Grand National).

What are these Moonmen.

 

[Wilf Wild 1937]

Tell you something funny about the Moon Morons. Ask them about the other ten men who landed on the moon, and whether they were faked too. Or ask them about the moon rocks which were donated all around the world. Or how much just ONE traitor from the thousands of people involved in all the Apollo missions would have made from a confession.

They just blink a bit then change the subject. They never even thought about that. Inevitably they watched one low budget kookee documentary when they were stoned and took it as gospel, without knowing the facts.

Can you explain this Dave. This is from the Telegraph but it's been widely reported.

Moon rock' given to Holland by Neil Armstrong and Buzz Aldrin is fake
A moon rock given to the Dutch prime minister by Apollo 11 astronauts in 1969 has turned out to be a fake.
A piece of moon rock was given during a goodwill tour by the three apollo 11 astronauts.
Curators at Amsterdam's Rijksmuseum, where the rock has attracted tens of thousands of visitors each year, discovered that the "lunar rock", valued at £308,000, was in fact petrified wood.
Xandra van Gelder, who oversaw the investigation, said the museum would continue to keep the stone as a curiosity.
"It's a good story, with some questions that are still unanswered," she said. "We can laugh about it."
The rock was given to Willem Drees, a former Dutch leader, during a global tour by Neil Armstrong, Michael Collins and Edwin "Buzz" Aldrin following their moon mission 50 years ago.
J. William Middendorf, the former American ambassador to the Netherlands, made the presentation to Mr Drees and the rock was then donated to the Rijksmuseum after his death in 1988.
"I do remember that Drees was very interested in the little piece of stone. But that it's not real, I don't know anything about that," Mr Middendorf said.
Nasa gave moon rocks to more than 100 countries following lunar missions in 1969 and the 1970s.
The United States Embassy in The Hague is carrying out an investigation into the affair.
Researchers Amsterdam's Free University were able to tell at a glance that the rock was unlikely to be from the moon, a conclusion that was borne out by tests.
"It's a nondescript, pretty-much-worthless stone," said Frank Beunk, a geologist involved in the investigation.


Being an obvious fake maybe it was given to them by a whistle blower?

 

[Gelsons Dad]

Tell you something funny about the Moon Morons. Ask them about the other ten men who landed on the moon, and whether they were faked too. Or ask them about the moon rocks which were donated all around the world. Or how much just ONE traitor from the thousands of people involved in all the Apollo missions would have made from a confession.

They just blink a bit then change the subject. They never even thought about that. Inevitably they watched one low budget kookee documentary when they were stoned and took it as gospel, without knowing the facts.

Can you explain this Dave. This is from the Telegraph but it's been widely reported.

Moon rock' given to Holland by Neil Armstrong and Buzz Aldrin is fake
A moon rock given to the Dutch prime minister by Apollo 11 astronauts in 1969 has turned out to be a fake.
A piece of moon rock was given during a goodwill tour by the three apollo 11 astronauts.
Curators at Amsterdam's Rijksmuseum, where the rock has attracted tens of thousands of visitors each year, discovered that the "lunar rock", valued at £308,000, was in fact petrified wood.
Xandra van Gelder, who oversaw the investigation, said the museum would continue to keep the stone as a curiosity.
"It's a good story, with some questions that are still unanswered," she said. "We can laugh about it."
The rock was given to Willem Drees, a former Dutch leader, during a global tour by Neil Armstrong, Michael Collins and Edwin "Buzz" Aldrin following their moon mission 50 years ago.
J. William Middendorf, the former American ambassador to the Netherlands, made the presentation to Mr Drees and the rock was then donated to the Rijksmuseum after his death in 1988.
"I do remember that Drees was very interested in the little piece of stone. But that it's not real, I don't know anything about that," Mr Middendorf said.
Nasa gave moon rocks to more than 100 countries following lunar missions in 1969 and the 1970s.
The United States Embassy in The Hague is carrying out an investigation into the affair.
Researchers Amsterdam's Free University were able to tell at a glance that the rock was unlikely to be from the moon, a conclusion that was borne out by tests.
"It's a nondescript, pretty-much-worthless stone," said Frank Beunk, a geologist involved in the investigation.


Being an obvious fake maybe it was given to them by a whistle blower?

5 seconds on wiki:

Dutch moon rock proven fake[edit]
Main article: Netherlands lunar sample displays
In his August 28, 2009 Associated Press story appearing in the Brisbane Times, Toby Sterling recounted how a spokesman for the Dutch National Museum, Amsterdam's Rijksmuseum, acknowledged on August 26, 2009, "that one of its prized possessions, a rock supposedly brought back from the moon by"…Apollo 11… "US astronauts, is just a piece of petrified wood.."… "The museum acquired the rock after the death of former prime minister Willem Drees in 1988. Drees received it as a private gift on October 9, 1969 from then-US ambassador J. William Middendorf during a visit by the three Apollo 11 astronauts, part of their ‘Giant Leap’ goodwill tour after the first moon landing." The museum acknowledged that though they did vet the moon rock they failed to double check it.[74] The museum was under the incorrect belief that this moon rock was one of the 135 Apollo 11 moon rocks that were presented to the nations of the world by the Nixon Administration.[75] "It's a nondescript, pretty-much-worthless stone," said Frank Beunk, a geologist involved in the investigation.[76] The genuine Apollo 11 moon rock given to the Dutch is in the inventory of a different museum in the Netherlands, which is, in fact, one of the very few countries where the location of both the Apollo 11 and Apollo 17 gift rocks is known.[77]

 

[Wilf Wild 1937]

Tell you something funny about the Moon Morons. Ask them about the other ten men who landed on the moon, and whether they were faked too. Or ask them about the moon rocks which were donated all around the world. Or how much just ONE traitor from the thousands of people involved in all the Apollo missions would have made from a confession.

They just blink a bit then change the subject. They never even thought about that. Inevitably they watched one low budget kookee documentary when they were stoned and took it as gospel, without knowing the facts.

Can you explain this Dave. This is from the Telegraph but it's been widely reported.

Moon rock' given to Holland by Neil Armstrong and Buzz Aldrin is fake
A moon rock given to the Dutch prime minister by Apollo 11 astronauts in 1969 has turned out to be a fake.
A piece of moon rock was given during a goodwill tour by the three apollo 11 astronauts.
Curators at Amsterdam's Rijksmuseum, where the rock has attracted tens of thousands of visitors each year, discovered that the "lunar rock", valued at £308,000, was in fact petrified wood.
Xandra van Gelder, who oversaw the investigation, said the museum would continue to keep the stone as a curiosity.
"It's a good story, with some questions that are still unanswered," she said. "We can laugh about it."
The rock was given to Willem Drees, a former Dutch leader, during a global tour by Neil Armstrong, Michael Collins and Edwin "Buzz" Aldrin following their moon mission 50 years ago.
J. William Middendorf, the former American ambassador to the Netherlands, made the presentation to Mr Drees and the rock was then donated to the Rijksmuseum after his death in 1988.
"I do remember that Drees was very interested in the little piece of stone. But that it's not real, I don't know anything about that," Mr Middendorf said.
Nasa gave moon rocks to more than 100 countries following lunar missions in 1969 and the 1970s.
The United States Embassy in The Hague is carrying out an investigation into the affair.
Researchers Amsterdam's Free University were able to tell at a glance that the rock was unlikely to be from the moon, a conclusion that was borne out by tests.
"It's a nondescript, pretty-much-worthless stone," said Frank Beunk, a geologist involved in the investigation.


Being an obvious fake maybe it was given to them by a whistle blower?

5 seconds on wiki:

Dutch moon rock proven fake[edit]
Main article: Netherlands lunar sample displays
In his August 28, 2009 Associated Press story appearing in the Brisbane Times, Toby Sterling recounted how a spokesman for the Dutch National Museum, Amsterdam's Rijksmuseum, acknowledged on August 26, 2009, "that one of its prized possessions, a rock supposedly brought back from the moon by"…Apollo 11… "US astronauts, is just a piece of petrified wood.."… "The museum acquired the rock after the death of former prime minister Willem Drees in 1988. Drees received it as a private gift on October 9, 1969 from then-US ambassador J. William Middendorf during a visit by the three Apollo 11 astronauts, part of their ‘Giant Leap’ goodwill tour after the first moon landing." The museum acknowledged that though they did vet the moon rock they failed to double check it.[74] The museum was under the incorrect belief that this moon rock was one of the 135 Apollo 11 moon rocks that were presented to the nations of the world by the Nixon Administration.[75] "It's a nondescript, pretty-much-worthless stone," said Frank Beunk, a geologist involved in the investigation.[76] The genuine Apollo 11 moon rock given to the Dutch is in the inventory of a different museum in the Netherlands, which is, in fact, one of the very few countries where the location of both the Apollo 11 and Apollo 17 gift rocks is known.[77]

Not my point, Who made the fake & why?

Your highlighted bit also raises another relevant question: why is the location of so little of the moon rock now known?
A lot of it is now "missing". Some is in private collections, the rest?

 

[Dicko69]

Ha ha, your question is answered and your comeback is not the point ha ha ha

 

[Wilf Wild 1937]

Ha ha, your question is answered and your comeback is not the point ha ha ha

Jesus wept. Let me make it simple for you.

Nobody doubts that both the Americans & the Soviets have real moon rocks in their possession.

The Americans have allegedly much more because they conducted manned missions.

If a whistle blower wanted to send a message out that there are questions to be asked about Apollo
then supplying a museum with a "fake" rock would be a pretty good starting point.

 

[yeah whatever !!]

Tell you something funny about the Moon Morons. Ask them about the other ten men who landed on the moon, and whether they were faked too. Or ask them about the moon rocks which were donated all around the world. Or how much just ONE traitor from the thousands of people involved in all the Apollo missions would have made from a confession.

They just blink a bit then change the subject. They never even thought about that. Inevitably they watched one low budget kookee documentary when they were stoned and took it as gospel, without knowing the facts.

Can you explain this Dave. This is from the Telegraph but it's been widely reported.

Moon rock' given to Holland by Neil Armstrong and Buzz Aldrin is fake
A moon rock given to the Dutch prime minister by Apollo 11 astronauts in 1969 has turned out to be a fake.
A piece of moon rock was given during a goodwill tour by the three apollo 11 astronauts.
Curators at Amsterdam's Rijksmuseum, where the rock has attracted tens of thousands of visitors each year, discovered that the "lunar rock", valued at £308,000, was in fact petrified wood.
Xandra van Gelder, who oversaw the investigation, said the museum would continue to keep the stone as a curiosity.
"It's a good story, with some questions that are still unanswered," she said. "We can laugh about it."
The rock was given to Willem Drees, a former Dutch leader, during a global tour by Neil Armstrong, Michael Collins and Edwin "Buzz" Aldrin following their moon mission 50 years ago.
J. William Middendorf, the former American ambassador to the Netherlands, made the presentation to Mr Drees and the rock was then donated to the Rijksmuseum after his death in 1988.
"I do remember that Drees was very interested in the little piece of stone. But that it's not real, I don't know anything about that," Mr Middendorf said.
Nasa gave moon rocks to more than 100 countries following lunar missions in 1969 and the 1970s.
The United States Embassy in The Hague is carrying out an investigation into the affair.
Researchers Amsterdam's Free University were able to tell at a glance that the rock was unlikely to be from the moon, a conclusion that was borne out by tests.
"It's a nondescript, pretty-much-worthless stone," said Frank Beunk, a geologist involved in the investigation.


Being an obvious fake maybe it was given to them by a whistle blower?

which only goes to prove that once there were trees on the moon.

 

[stony]

Can you explain this Dave. This is from the Telegraph but it's been widely reported.

Moon rock' given to Holland by Neil Armstrong and Buzz Aldrin is fake
A moon rock given to the Dutch prime minister by Apollo 11 astronauts in 1969 has turned out to be a fake.
A piece of moon rock was given during a goodwill tour by the three apollo 11 astronauts.
Curators at Amsterdam's Rijksmuseum, where the rock has attracted tens of thousands of visitors each year, discovered that the "lunar rock", valued at £308,000, was in fact petrified wood.
Xandra van Gelder, who oversaw the investigation, said the museum would continue to keep the stone as a curiosity.
"It's a good story, with some questions that are still unanswered," she said. "We can laugh about it."
The rock was given to Willem Drees, a former Dutch leader, during a global tour by Neil Armstrong, Michael Collins and Edwin "Buzz" Aldrin following their moon mission 50 years ago.
J. William Middendorf, the former American ambassador to the Netherlands, made the presentation to Mr Drees and the rock was then donated to the Rijksmuseum after his death in 1988.
"I do remember that Drees was very interested in the little piece of stone. But that it's not real, I don't know anything about that," Mr Middendorf said.
Nasa gave moon rocks to more than 100 countries following lunar missions in 1969 and the 1970s.
The United States Embassy in The Hague is carrying out an investigation into the affair.
Researchers Amsterdam's Free University were able to tell at a glance that the rock was unlikely to be from the moon, a conclusion that was borne out by tests.
"It's a nondescript, pretty-much-worthless stone," said Frank Beunk, a geologist involved in the investigation.


Being an obvious fake maybe it was given to them by a whistle blower?

5 seconds on wiki:

Dutch moon rock proven fake[edit]
Main article: Netherlands lunar sample displays
In his August 28, 2009 Associated Press story appearing in the Brisbane Times, Toby Sterling recounted how a spokesman for the Dutch National Museum, Amsterdam's Rijksmuseum, acknowledged on August 26, 2009, "that one of its prized possessions, a rock supposedly brought back from the moon by"…Apollo 11… "US astronauts, is just a piece of petrified wood.."… "The museum acquired the rock after the death of former prime minister Willem Drees in 1988. Drees received it as a private gift on October 9, 1969 from then-US ambassador J. William Middendorf during a visit by the three Apollo 11 astronauts, part of their ‘Giant Leap’ goodwill tour after the first moon landing." The museum acknowledged that though they did vet the moon rock they failed to double check it.[74] The museum was under the incorrect belief that this moon rock was one of the 135 Apollo 11 moon rocks that were presented to the nations of the world by the Nixon Administration.[75] "It's a nondescript, pretty-much-worthless stone," said Frank Beunk, a geologist involved in the investigation.[76] The genuine Apollo 11 moon rock given to the Dutch is in the inventory of a different museum in the Netherlands, which is, in fact, one of the very few countries where the location of both the Apollo 11 and Apollo 17 gift rocks is known.[77]

Not my point, Who made the fake & why?

Your highlighted bit also raises another relevant question: why is the location of so little of the moon rock now known?
A lot of it is now "missing". Some is in private collections, the rest?

You can get snide City shirts on the market. Does that mean there aren't any real ones ?