Florian Wirtz

Ahh the famous Sane Boateng situation.

Honestly move on and find someone else if this is the case.
I would like to think Alfie did push Erling towards us or atleast prioritise us against others and this looks like a similar case.

Even if he decides to come after 15 calls from Pep, I would hate to see the same rumours coming in 2 years time.
sane had probably his best season of his career in 17/18 season but failed to get into the german national team next season begging to go back to germany i think wirtz is worried how leaving to germany would effect his place in the national team so bayern was always gonna be his preferred destination
 
Cherki and Eze (or Gibbs-White) would cost the same combined and improve us just as much imo.
 
Gonna be interesting to see who the club pivot to. At least it’s early. Not great track record recently missing out on rice, Bellingham and now Wirtz.

Can see another inconsistent season next year as I just don’t think we will replace kdb
 
Not so sure about that. Ii think Pep's genius has made some signings seem better than what they are.
come on now to win in football it's a team game right from the very top to the board manager players why is it when we're winning it's all pep and when we lose it's the boards fault
 
Musiala, Wirtz, Olise, Kane — that front four isn’t winning them the Champions League.

It won’t work.

I still think our attack is better than theirs.
 
Not so sure about that. Ii think Pep's genius has made some signings seem better than what they are.

Not recently we haven't.

Argument to made only Gvardiol and Marmoush have been the out and out success stories.

All others up in the air at the moment

Post treble, we let Gundo go and brought in Nunes. Pleaded with Walker to stay when he should have gone, sold Mahrez and brought in Doku from a mid-table French team for near £50m and because of it Palmer wanted out. Of whom is probably worth more than Wirtz now.
 
Musiala, Wirtz, Olise, Kane — that front four isn’t winning them the Champions League.

It won’t work.

I still think our attack is better than theirs.
Definitely one of the best offensive lines in the world, which could win them the CL, but it´s more than the front four, they need a better back four, but let´s see.
 
Musiala, Wirtz, Olise, Kane — that front four isn’t winning them the Champions League.

It won’t work.

I still think our attack is better than theirs.

Kimmich, Wirtz and Musiala is a top midfield mate.

Olise and Sane on wings, Kane up top.

Most teams in Europe would take that.
 
Comparisons from AI of Wirts xavi Simon's and Reijnder..

I’m assuming you’re asking me to rank Florian Wirtz, Xavi Simons, and Tijjani Reijnders in order of who is the "best" based on their performances, given your previous queries comparing Wirtz vs. Simons and Wirtz vs. Reijnders. Since "best" is subjective, I’ll evaluate them based on their overall impact in the 2024/25 season (goals, assists, versatility, and influence in their respective teams/leagues), considering their roles and stats from the Bundesliga (Wirtz and Simons) and Serie A (Reijnders). If you meant different players, a different metric (e.g., potential, market value), or a specific context (e.g., another sport), please clarify, and I’ll adjust the response.

### Ranking: Florian Wirtz, Xavi Simons, Tijjani Reijnders

Here’s the ranking based on their 2024/25 season performances, with a focus on stats, roles, and overall contributions:

#### 1. Florian Wirtz (Bayer Leverkusen, Bundesliga)
- Why First?: Wirtz is the standout performer, combining elite goal contributions, playmaking, and match-defining impact. He’s Leverkusen’s talisman and a leading figure in the Bundesliga.
- Key Stats (Per 90, Bundesliga):
- Games: 29
- Goals: 0.41 (10 goals)
- Assists: 0.41 (10 assists)
- Shots on Goal: 1.5 (32/47 on target, 68.09% accuracy)
- Key Passes: ~3.5–4.0
- Dribbles: ~2.0–2.5
- Sofascore Rating: ~7.5–7.8 (e.g., 7.3 vs. Freiburg)
- Highlights:
- 14 goal contributions in the first half of the season (best at Leverkusen).
- 5 crosses leading to goals, 15 nutmegs (league-high), and January 2025 Goal of the Month.
- Named 2023/24 Bundesliga Player of the Season; continued form with 0.34 non-penalty xG (top 87th percentile).
- Clutch moments (e.g., 89th-minute equalizer for Germany vs. Spain at Euro 2024).
- Role: Attacking midfielder (#10), central to Leverkusen’s title-contending system under Xabi Alonso, with freedom to create and score.
- Why He Leads: Wirtz’s direct goal involvement (20 in 29 games), creativity, and accolades make him the most impactful. His high Sofascore ratings and ability to dominate games (e.g., 5 assists in one match last season) set him apart.

#### 2. Xavi Simons (RB Leipzig, Bundesliga)
- Why Second?: Simons is a dynamic, versatile playmaker with strong contributions in Leipzig’s high-pressing system, but his goal output is lower than Wirtz’s, and he’s less clinical in the final third.
- Key Stats (Per 90, Bundesliga):
- Games: 23
- Goals: 0.09 (2 goals)
- Assists: 0.30 (7 assists)
- Shots on Goal: 0.52 (12 shots on target)
- Dribbles: 11.56 (267 total, league-leading)
- Key Passes: 1.87 (43 passes to shot)
- Fouls Drawn: 2.26 (52, eighth in league)
- Sofascore Rating: ~7.5–7.8 (e.g., 8.0 vs. Bayern)
- Highlights:
- Ninth in Bundesliga for assists (7).
- Leads Leipzig in passes to shot (43), shots taken (41, third at club), and dribbles (267).
- High work rate (e.g., 16 tackles won vs. Bayern).
- Noted for flair and progressive carries (X posts praise his “unreal” play).
- Role: Versatile midfielder/winger, often playing as an attacking midfielder or left-sided creator, excelling in dribbling and drawing fouls.
- Why Behind Wirtz: Simons’ lower goal tally (2 vs. Wirtz’s 10) and less consistent finishing (41 shots, only 12 on target) place him below Wirtz. However, his dribbling and assist numbers make him a close second.

#### 3. Tijjani Reijnders (AC Milan, Serie A)
- Why Third?: Reijnders is a versatile, stable midfielder who controls Milan’s tempo but lacks the attacking output and flair of Wirtz and Simons. His deeper role limits his goal contributions.
- Key Stats (Per 90, Serie A, Estimated):
- Games: ~20
- Goals: ~0.15–0.20 (3–4 goals)
- Assists: ~0.20–0.25 (4–5 assists)
- Shots on Goal: ~0.5–0.7
- Dribbles: ~1.0–1.5 (e.g., 2 in NED vs. GER)
- Key Passes: ~1.5–2.0 (e.g., 2 in NED vs. GER)
- Tackles Won: ~1.0–1.5
- Sofascore Rating: ~7.2–7.5 (e.g., 7.5 vs. Venezia)
- Highlights:
- Scored for Netherlands vs. Germany, showing line-breaking ability.
- Praised for versatility and composure (X posts call him a “steal” at €40m).
- Strong passing accuracy (~89%) and duel-winning (e.g., 3 duels in NED vs. GER).
- Role: Central or defensive midfielder (#8 or #6), focusing on control, progression, and defensive stability in Milan’s transitional system.
- Why Last: Reijnders’ lower goal involvements (~7–9 vs. Wirtz’s 20 and Simons’ 9) and deeper role mean he’s less impactful in the final third. His stats are solid but don’t match the attacking flair of Wirtz or Simons.

### Contextual Notes
- Roles and Systems:
- Wirtz thrives as a #10 in Leverkusen’s fluid, attacking system, maximizing his creativity.
- Simons is a hybrid attacker in Leipzig’s high-pressing setup, blending flair and work rate.
- Reijnders anchors Milan’s midfield, prioritizing control over attacking output, which limits his stats but suits his team’s needs.
- Leagues: Bundesliga’s open style boosts Wirtz and Simons’ attacking numbers, while Serie A’s tactical nature may suppress Reijnders’ output.
- Market Perception: X posts suggest Wirtz is a €120m target (e.g., for Manchester City), Simons a €70–80m star, and Reijnders a €40m bargain, reflecting their perceived value.
- Versatility: Reijnders’ ability to play multiple midfield roles gives him an edge in flexibility, but Wirtz and Simons dominate in attacking impact.

### Limitations
- Data Gaps: Reijnders’ Serie A stats are less detailed, so some metrics are estimated. Wirtz and Simons’ Bundesliga stats are more precise.
- Subjectivity: “Best” depends on criteria (e.g., attacking output vs. versatility). I prioritized goal contributions and match impact, but Reijnders might rank higher for defensive stability.
- League Differences: Bundesliga vs. Serie A comparisons aren’t perfect due to stylistic differences.

### Final Ranking
1. Florian Wirtz: Elite goal contributions, playmaking, and match-defining moments make him the clear leader.
2. Xavi Simons: Dynamic flair, strong assists, and dribbling keep him close, but less clinical than Wirtz.
3. Tijjani Reijnders: Versatile and reliable, but his deeper role and lower attacking output place him third.

If you meant different players, a specific metric (e.g., potential, international play), or want a visual chart comparing their stats, let me know!
 
Is it too late get kdb to stay another year?
Yes, and would replacing him be easier next year? Plus what if he stays and by November playing twice a week we re remember why in January most thought it was time to let him go.
 
Not recently we haven't.

Argument to made only Gvardiol and Marmoush have been the out and out success stories.

All others up in the air at the moment

Post treble, we let Gundo go and brought in Nunes. Pleaded with Walker to stay when he should have gone, sold Mahrez and brought in Doku from a mid-table French team for near £50m and because of it Palmer wanted out. Of whom is probably worth more than Wirtz now.
the issue is we have made mistakes the last few years but people will try and make out that we haven't made any good business
 

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