Football Governance Bill (Independent Regulator)

It's probably worth pointing out that Kogan's donations to Starmer and Nandy were in 2020, way before either became PM or Culture Secretary or even the opposition versions of those posts.
 
TheGhost said:
Well my reading of what you linked and from listening to Lisa Nandy, Kieran McGuire -‘d another academic who drafted the White Paper talking about it -

It’s going to be light touch so only really get involved where it feels that the football governing bodies either need a hand or guidance.

1) It’s going to set into law the fit and proper person owners test so that clubs are less likely to go bust like Bury or end up with terrible owners like at Reading, Southend, Sheffield Wednesday, Morecambe etc. The regulator will have the power to step in to deal with clubs in crisis.

2) It’s going to sort the impasse between the PL & EFL over the distribution of TV revenue. They’ve been haggling for years over it and the PL are purposefully dragging their feet so that they don’t have share money down the pyramid.

3) They are going to protect the heritage of clubs so that owners can’t come in and for example - change the name of a club (Hull Tigers) or the colour of the kit (Cardiff) or move the club to a different town or city (Wimbledon) without fans being properly engaged and consulted.

That’s it.

Nothing to do with ticket prices. Beer in stands. Terrestrial TV coverage. Or anything else.

I’m not really sure why fans wouldn’t want any of the above.
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It’s going to be light touch when they need help?

So every day and with every thing then?
 
mexico1970 said:
That's really the point I was making mate, this is a gateway for further shenanigans. I mean why would someone want the job of being regulator so much if it wasn't to make money for themselves and more importantly their "Friends".
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Maybe they care about fairness.
 
bluetonium said:
Whilst we hope for a level playing field, my skeptical inner child worries that we'll be seen as the problem still. I hope not, and hope that an independent body will not stand for loyalties and personal gain to cloud judgement.

Something interesting in the article that I hadn't picked up on from elsewhere

"Premier League television viewing figures on main live rights-holder Sky Sports were down 10% last season, while TNT Sports had a 17% reduction in its year-on-year figures."

Aside from the fact that an underperforming City isn't good for the premier league or champions league, it would seem (calling Dick Scudamore?), and alongside tongue in cheek proof that Liverpool won a one horse race where everyone switched off after Christmas rather than hear there self gratification , this could be the start of a very worrying trend for English football.

Why are figures down? Are subscribers down? Is interest in top level football waning? Was last year just a less attractive year of football, less competitive? Is the product spoiling? Is the presentation of the product past it's sell by date? Did city literally ruin football, or did making every other discussion about toes being offside and oil money mean we forgot the action on the pitch?

Let's see what happens. Football will never die, especially in its heartland, but this could be a sign that the all you can eat US buffet is closing its doors through necessity as well as just cause.
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No title race and no relegation fight probably played a big part
 
mexico1970 said:
That's really the point I was making mate, this is a gateway for further shenanigans. I mean why would someone want the job of being regulator so much if it wasn't to make money for themselves and more importantly their "Friends".
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I don’t think a civil service job - even a high level one - is something you go into to make money. Especially if you’ve spent you career brokering multi million or even billion pound media deals. I’m fairly sure he could retire quite comfortably but is at a stage in his career where he wants to ‘give something back’. I know a few people who do that.
 
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Stoned Rose said:
It’s going to be light touch when they need help?

So every day and with every thing then?
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Quite

When I said ‘help’, I meant more like mediating between the various governing bodies and defining their roles. And helping in situations where clubs get into trouble with dodgy or incompetent owners or where clubs and fans are at existential loggerheads.
 
bluetonium said:
Whilst we hope for a level playing field, my skeptical inner child worries that we'll be seen as the problem still. I hope not, and hope that an independent body will not stand for loyalties and personal gain to cloud judgement.

Something interesting in the article that I hadn't picked up on from elsewhere

"Premier League television viewing figures on main live rights-holder Sky Sports were down 10% last season, while TNT Sports had a 17% reduction in its year-on-year figures."

Aside from the fact that an underperforming City isn't good for the premier league or champions league, it would seem (calling Dick Scudamore?), and alongside tongue in cheek proof that Liverpool won a one horse race where everyone switched off after Christmas rather than hear there self gratification , this could be the start of a very worrying trend for English football.

Why are figures down? Are subscribers down? Is interest in top level football waning? Was last year just a less attractive year of football, less competitive? Is the product spoiling? Is the presentation of the product past it's sell by date? Did city literally ruin football, or did making every other discussion about toes being offside and oil money mean we forgot the action on the pitch?

Let's see what happens. Football will never die, especially in its heartland, but this could be a sign that the all you can eat US buffet is closing its doors through necessity as well as just cause.
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Seems that a lot of that reduction was down to there being absolutely no jeopardy for the title or relegation. When City are ‘ruining’ football by winning the title on the last day of the season it appears to generate a lot more interest than Liverpool having it all wrapped up by April. Not that you’d know that by reading any newspapers…
 
TheGhost said:
I don’t think a civil service job - even a high level one - is something you go into to make money. Especially if you’ve spent you career brokering multi million or even billion pound media deals. I’ve sure he could retire quite comfortably but is at a stage in his career where he wants to ‘give something back’. I know a few people who do that.
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You can't post that here mate. No, every slimey fucker is in it for themselves according the majority on this forum.
 
TheGhost said:
I don’t think a civil service job - even a high level one - is something you go into to make money. Especially if you’ve spent you career brokering multi million or even billion pound media deals. I’ve sure he could retire quite comfortably but is at a stage in his career where he wants to ‘give something back’. I know a few people who do that.
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If he wants to give something back, he does charity work, becomes a school governor etc and uses his expertise to help others whilst out of the spotlight, like thousands of people do up and down the country every day.

He might not need the money, but he will want his ego massaging by being an important person in football and being able to sit in the boxes at every club in the country whilst CEOs see to his every need, getting interviewed by media etc.
 
TheGhost said:
I don’t think a civil service job - even a high level one - is something you go into to make money. Especially if you’ve spent you career brokering multi million or even billion pound media deals. I’ve sure he could retire quite comfortably but is at a stage in his career where he wants to ‘give something back’. I know a few people who do that.
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They said the same about Elon Musk….
 
Blue Since 76 said:
If he wants to give something back, he does charity work, becomes a school governor etc and uses his expertise to help others whilst out of the spotlight, like thousands of people do up and down the country every day.

He might not need the money, but he will want his ego massaging by being an important person in football and being able to sit in the boxes at every club in the country whilst CEOs see to his every need, getting interviewed by media etc.
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If your usual salary is £1m+ a year and you decide to take a job that’s £150k a year, you’re doing it because you really want the job.

Maybe school dinners and governors meetings isn’t quite what he’s looking for?

I think he’s probably going to be more involved in the nitty gritty of Morecambe and Southend rather than the Premier League once the TV distribution deal is finally sorted.
 
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Think a lot of fans are mainly watching there own games and now not bothering with the rest!

Just watch now how it will be manipulated to get a tight title race next season! Because sky do dirty and will do anything to keep there corporation top of football which keep them going!
 
waspish said:
Think a lot of fans are mainly watching there own games and now not bothering with the rest!

Just watch now how it will be manipulated to get a tight title race next season! Because sky do dirty and will do anything to keep there corporation top of football which keep them going!
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That's what I see. The world is so splintered with hate nowadays that nobody is interested in any thing except their own thing.

I would pay for watching football if I could watch my own club live each week. I don't pay anything as it is and never have done.

It's the next step.
 
KS55 said:
You are confusing one poster’s view of what the regulator is going to do with the actual powers they have.
Their first objective of ensuring financial sustainability is the gateway to huge powers they have to bring this about. Similarly, every club will have to apply for a licence from the regulator; huge power there.
I accept that this sort of idea is regularly fucked up by bad government but let’s not be too pessimistic….they may even do some good. I’m going to give it a chance.
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The new owner test won't weed out bad owners, just skint ones, and the licences are largely to fund themselves. Any sensible business person would steer clear of owning 98% of clubs, and there are normally other motives to do so, with most losing money. There isn't a queue of potential owners for most clubs.

If a club loses its licence it will likely bankrupt it, so they may threaten to do it or force clubs to be sold rather than remove a licence which also could have unintended consequences. How they levy their fees will be interesting, as it will give an idea of the budget and how much they can do. The powers are retrospective and punitive rather than prevention focussed.

Most clubs want the regulator for 1 thing, to "operate a backstop mechanism to make sure there is sufficient distribution of finances across the professional game if football can’t reach an agreement on this itself". The EFL clubs want higher solidarity payments, more than the PL currently offer. If regulator fees and compliance cost more than any additional PL trickle down funding there will be massive discontent. If the the Licence fees are too low there will be just a handful of people working for the regulator and it can't be effective.
 
TheGhost said:
If your usual salary is £1m+ a year and you decide to take a job that’s £150k a year, you’re doing it because you really want the job.

Maybe school dinners and governors meetings isn’t quite what he’s looking for?

I think he’s probably going to be more involved in the nitty gritty of Morecambe and Southend rather than the Premier League once the TV distribution deal is finally sorted.
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Yes, and you really want the job for the title and everything that comes with it (whilst scraping by on a salary about 5 times that of the average football fan).

Put him in the same bracket as most politicians, heads of UEFA, FIFA, Olympics etc making out they're doing us a favour by being a public servant whilst creaming as much money and status as they can. He'll do this role for about 2 years and then become a 'consultant' for Netflix or similar
 
Blue Since 76 said:
Yes, and you really want the job for the title and everything that comes with it (whilst scraping by on a salary about 5 times that of the average football fan).

Put him in the same bracket as most politicians, heads of UEFA, FIFA, Olympics etc making out they're doing us a favour by being a public servant whilst creaming as much money and status as they can. He'll do this role for about 2 years and then become a 'consultant' for Netflix or similar
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Don’t judge everyone else by your own low standards
 
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