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Is it me, or are more and more threads being taken down on here? If so is it because posters are getting more vicious, or are the mods clamping down more on stuff that used to be left alone?

What I mean is, if an Israel thread leads to an argument, why not just delete the offensive posts and ban the poster? The threads are being moved, and then another one pops up until the same thing happens.
 
Re: Freedom of speech

Meanwhile, in mod towers;

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Just too many Israeli sympathisers that don't like hearing the truth so they resort to the tried and tested, "stop being anti-semitic stance" and make sure the thread gets ended. I love the mods on here.
 
Re: Freedom of speech

Why would this thread be deleted? It's sad that posters entertain the idea that it would be.
 
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There was a memo sent out about it, and it was decided that speech shall no longer be free, a surcharge of £5 will kick in for any poster that expresses any opinion that is deemed too left wing, or too right wing...
 
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Tanzeylee said:
There was a memo sent out about it, and it was decided that speech shall no longer be free, a surcharge of £5 will kick in for any poster that expresses any opinion that is deemed too left wing, or too right wing...
Fucking hell; Ric will be able to retire to the Caribbean earlier than he planned!
 
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It's a case of nipping a thread in the bud before things escalate to be honest, we don't want to be dishing out warnings and bans if we can help it, sometimes just pulling or splitting the thread helps calm things down.
 
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Maybe its cause you didn't pay your Bluemoon membership fee that was brought in by Markt85
 
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jimharri said:
Tanzeylee said:
There was a memo sent out about it, and it was decided that speech shall no longer be free, a surcharge of £5 will kick in for any poster that expresses any opinion that is deemed too left wing, or too right wing...
Fucking hell; Ric will be able to retire to the Caribbean earlier than he planned!


Well I am his agent, need to get my 20% from somewhere...
 
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Danamy said:
It's a case of nipping a thread in the bud before things escalate to be honest, we don't want to be dishing out warnings and bans if we can help it, sometimes just pulling or splitting the thread helps calm things down.
Ah, but what about when a thread is simply shite? I started a thread a few days ago, which was pretty rank (possible spelling mistake there!) and had it confirmed via pm off a mod that it was in the mod room. No sign of it coming back either. And, TAKE NOTE, I don't particularly want it back either. But, as far as I remember, there wasn't anything particularly objectionable in it. If you're going to start pulling threads simply because they're shite, then you mods are going to be very busy!
 
Re: Freedom of speech

jimharri said:
Danamy said:
It's a case of nipping a thread in the bud before things escalate to be honest, we don't want to be dishing out warnings and bans if we can help it, sometimes just pulling or splitting the thread helps calm things down.
Ah, but what about when a thread is simply shite? I started a thread a few days ago, which was pretty rank (possible spelling mistake there!) and had it confirmed via pm off a mod that it was in the mod room. No sign of it coming back either. And, TAKE NOTE, I don't particularly want it back either. But, as far as I remember, there wasn't anything particularly objectionable in it. If you're going to start pulling threads simply because they're shite, then you mods are going to be very busy!
They pull threads if there doesn't seem any point to them ie just a bad pun in the title. It's a pity because those threads can sometimes turn into something humorous. The cellar seems a bit sterile at the moment, mostly arguing about heavy political stuff. I'm not going to blame Israel though.
 
Re: Freedom of speech

jimharri said:
Danamy said:
It's a case of nipping a thread in the bud before things escalate to be honest, we don't want to be dishing out warnings and bans if we can help it, sometimes just pulling or splitting the thread helps calm things down.
Ah, but what about when a thread is simply shite? I started a thread a few days ago, which was pretty rank (possible spelling mistake there!) and had it confirmed via pm off a mod that it was in the mod room. No sign of it coming back either. And, TAKE NOTE, I don't particularly want it back either. But, as far as I remember, there wasn't anything particularly objectionable in it. If you're going to start pulling threads simply because they're shite, then you mods are going to be very busy!

In that case, my guess is they will be employing a new mod just to look after Colinbellsjockstrap's threads
 
Re: Freedom of speech

Stood in The South Stand said:
Just too many Israeli sympathisers that don't like hearing the truth so they resort to the tried and tested, "stop being anti-semitic stance" and make sure the thread gets ended. I love the mods on here.

Do you know WHY somebody was called anti-Semitic before (and they weren't actually called anti-Semitic or racist but rather were accused of making anti-Semitic comments)? Because he posted a conspiracy theory that "THE JEWS" are controlling the American financial institutions from behind the scenes and forcing the US to stay out of Israeli politics. And I called his comments anti-Semitic and Ducado called them a racial slur.

It pisses me off that people are now qualifying statements like anybody at all would call them a racist for criticising Israel when we've had 700 pages of Israel criticism over the last few weeks. The reason the mods have become more heavy handed in the last few days is how ridiculously racist some of those comments were and how Ducado and PB felt pressured not to touch them purely because they're Jews and don't want to be seen as "controlling". So then the rest of us took over the heavy work in terms of moderating the thread based on what we personally find unacceptable as non-Jews and non-Arabs, with a mixture of theists and atheists. Then because we started pulling threads when they either break down past the point of argument or when some clown starts throwing out anti-Semitic remarks about how Israel and the Jews need to be wiped off the face of the Earth (which has literally been said in these threads, more than once by more than one users).

Yesterday, two largely anti-Israel users were banned. Both were banned by me. One of them was because he went off on a dadiast-type rage in the forum then PM'ed a moderator literally to call him a **** and go off on him. He got a month, mainly as this was a build up of things over time and the PM was unacceptable. The other one was because I thought they were either drunk or remarkably pissed off, and went off on one in the forum. He got a month then reduced it to a day as to be fair it's the first time he's really done something like that and hopefully he'll come back calmed down and think before he posts.

The mods have gotten more heavy handed (and by the mods I mainly mean myself) because anti-semitism IS on the rise on Bluemoon. We've got 20 examples in the Mod Forum from the last few days alone. Would you like to know what somebody suggested the other day? That I, an Anglo-Saxon agnostic atheist, had been read the Riot Act by the other mods and strongly hinted that somehow THE JEWS are now in control of the moderation team on a football forum. Then he called it "JewMoon" and said that all anti-Israel sentiment is being censored. He said this in a thread literally filled with anti-Israel sentiment.

This Israel-Palestine conflict from a Bluemoon standpoint is like watching posters beat the shit out of Israel for 20 pages calling them every name under the Sun and then when somebody pipes up that maybe this isn't a black and white issue, they are immediately drown out by self-righteous people who declare that they're "apologists", "sympathisers", "murderers" or on one occasion "a fucking Jew". Then when a mod thinks that the arguments have gotten out of hand, we get new threads stating how the mods are pro-Israel. Despite the fact that if you look at the mods opinion, they're largely divided on the issue.

Threads are getting pulled for an incredibly simple reason; the same posters are creating arguments instead of trying to discuss the issue. People aren't asking for freedom of speech, people are asking for the right to sit in a thread and agree with each other over and over and wait until somebody disagrees with them so they can round up on them. The days of PB and Skashion having informative discussions about the nature of the conflict are long gone and no discussion is taking place because there's a certain element of posters who refuse to allow it to. Pro-Israeli posters have literally given up because we didn't do a good enough job at the beginning.

Do you know who suggested the crackdown here in the Mod Forum? De Niro. That's how bad it has gotten.
 
Re: Freedom of speech

jimharri said:
Danamy said:
It's a case of nipping a thread in the bud before things escalate to be honest, we don't want to be dishing out warnings and bans if we can help it, sometimes just pulling or splitting the thread helps calm things down.
Ah, but what about when a thread is simply shite? I started a thread a few days ago, which was pretty rank (possible spelling mistake there!) and had it confirmed via pm off a mod that it was in the mod room. No sign of it coming back either. And, TAKE NOTE, I don't particularly want it back either. But, as far as I remember, there wasn't anything particularly objectionable in it. If you're going to start pulling threads simply because they're shite, then you mods are going to be very busy!

If there's no sustance or meaning to the thread what's the point in starting it in the first place, you've already admitted the thread was shite, you wouldn't believe the amount of threads that are in the Mod room that's in that category.

It doesn't help us when we're trying to moderate confrontational threads like the we currently have in the cellar when we're wasting our time pulling threads that don't mean shit.
 
Re: Freedom of speech

Damocles said:
Stood in The South Stand said:
Just too many Israeli sympathisers that don't like hearing the truth so they resort to the tried and tested, "stop being anti-semitic stance" and make sure the thread gets ended. I love the mods on here.

Do you know WHY somebody was called anti-Semitic before (and they weren't actually called anti-Semitic or racist but rather were accused of making anti-Semitic comments)? Because he posted a conspiracy theory that "THE JEWS" are controlling the American financial institutions from behind the scenes and forcing the US to stay out of Israeli politics. And I called his comments anti-Semitic and Ducado called them a racial slur.

It pisses me off that people are now qualifying statements like anybody at all would call them a racist for criticising Israel when we've had 700 pages of Israel criticism over the last few weeks. The reason the mods have become more heavy handed in the last few days is how ridiculously racist some of those comments were and how Ducado and PB felt pressured not to touch them purely because they're Jews and don't want to be seen as "controlling". So then the rest of us took over the heavy work in terms of moderating the thread based on what we personally find unacceptable as non-Jews and non-Arabs, with a mixture of theists and atheists. Then because we started pulling threads when they either break down past the point of argument or when some clown starts throwing out anti-Semitic remarks about how Israel and the Jews need to be wiped off the face of the Earth (which has literally been said in these threads, more than once by more than one users).

Yesterday, two largely anti-Israel users were banned. Both were banned by me. One of them was because he went off on a dadiast-type rage in the forum then PM'ed a moderator literally to call him a c**t and go off on him. He got a month, mainly as this was a build up of things over time and the PM was unacceptable. The other one was because I thought they were either drunk or remarkably pissed off, and went off on one in the forum. He got a month then reduced it to a day as to be fair it's the first time he's really done something like that and hopefully he'll come back calmed down and think before he posts.

The mods have gotten more heavy handed (and by the mods I mainly mean myself) because anti-semitism IS on the rise on Bluemoon. We've got 20 examples in the Mod Forum from the last few days alone. Would you like to know what somebody suggested the other day? That I, an Anglo-Saxon agnostic atheist, had been read the Riot Act by the other mods and strongly hinted that somehow THE JEWS are now in control of the moderation team on a football forum. Then he called it "JewMoon" and said that all anti-Israel sentiment is being censored. He said this in a thread literally filled with anti-Israel sentiment.

This Israel-Palestine conflict from a Bluemoon standpoint is like watching posters beat the shit out of Israel for 20 pages calling them every name under the Sun and then when somebody pipes up that maybe this isn't a black and white issue, they are immediately drown out by self-righteous people who declare that they're "apologists", "sympathisers", "murderers" or on one occasion "a fucking Jew". Then when a mod thinks that the arguments have gotten out of hand, we get new threads stating how the mods are pro-Israel. Despite the fact that if you look at the mods opinion, they're largely divided on the issue.

Threads are getting pulled for an incredibly simple reason; the same posters are creating arguments instead of trying to discuss the issue. People aren't asking for freedom of speech, people are asking for the right to sit in a thread and agree with each other over and over and wait until somebody disagrees with them so they can round up on them. The days of PB and Skashion having informative discussions about the nature of the conflict are long gone and no discussion is taking place because there's a certain element of posters who refuse to allow it to. Pro-Israeli posters have literally given up because we didn't do a good enough job at the beginning.

Do you know who suggested the crackdown here in the Mod Forum? De Niro. That's how bad it has gotten.
Some posters that weren't pro-Israel decided to stay out (for the most part) as well because they were called terrorist apologists and anti-semitic simply for disagreeing with the murder of women and children tbf Damo.
 
Re: Freedom of speech

Damocles said:
Stood in The South Stand said:
Just too many Israeli sympathisers that don't like hearing the truth so they resort to the tried and tested, "stop being anti-semitic stance" and make sure the thread gets ended. I love the mods on here.

Do you know WHY somebody was called anti-Semitic before (and they weren't actually called anti-Semitic or racist but rather were accused of making anti-Semitic comments)? Because he posted a conspiracy theory that "THE JEWS" are controlling the American financial institutions from behind the scenes and forcing the US to stay out of Israeli politics. And I called his comments anti-Semitic and Ducado called them a racial slur.

It pisses me off that people are now qualifying statements like anybody at all would call them a racist for criticising Israel when we've had 700 pages of Israel criticism over the last few weeks. The reason the mods have become more heavy handed in the last few days is how ridiculously racist some of those comments were and how Ducado and PB felt pressured not to touch them purely because they're Jews and don't want to be seen as "controlling". So then the rest of us took over the heavy work in terms of moderating the thread based on what we personally find unacceptable as non-Jews and non-Arabs, with a mixture of theists and atheists. Then because we started pulling threads when they either break down past the point of argument or when some clown starts throwing out anti-Semitic remarks about how Israel and the Jews need to be wiped off the face of the Earth (which has literally been said in these threads, more than once by more than one users).

Yesterday, two largely anti-Israel users were banned. Both were banned by me. One of them was because he went off on a dadiast-type rage in the forum then PM'ed a moderator literally to call him a c**t and go off on him. He got a month, mainly as this was a build up of things over time and the PM was unacceptable. The other one was because I thought they were either drunk or remarkably pissed off, and went off on one in the forum. He got a month then reduced it to a day as to be fair it's the first time he's really done something like that and hopefully he'll come back calmed down and think before he posts.

The mods have gotten more heavy handed (and by the mods I mainly mean myself) because anti-semitism IS on the rise on Bluemoon. We've got 20 examples in the Mod Forum from the last few days alone. Would you like to know what somebody suggested the other day? That I, an Anglo-Saxon agnostic atheist, had been read the Riot Act by the other mods and strongly hinted that somehow THE JEWS are now in control of the moderation team on a football forum. Then he called it "JewMoon" and said that all anti-Israel sentiment is being censored. He said this in a thread literally filled with anti-Israel sentiment.

This Israel-Palestine conflict from a Bluemoon standpoint is like watching posters beat the shit out of Israel for 20 pages calling them every name under the Sun and then when somebody pipes up that maybe this isn't a black and white issue, they are immediately drown out by self-righteous people who declare that they're "apologists", "sympathisers", "murderers" or on one occasion "a fucking Jew". Then when a mod thinks that the arguments have gotten out of hand, we get new threads stating how the mods are pro-Israel. Despite the fact that if you look at the mods opinion, they're largely divided on the issue.

Threads are getting pulled for an incredibly simple reason; the same posters are creating arguments instead of trying to discuss the issue. People aren't asking for freedom of speech, people are asking for the right to sit in a thread and agree with each other over and over and wait until somebody disagrees with them so they can round up on them. The days of PB and Skashion having informative discussions about the nature of the conflict are long gone and no discussion is taking place because there's a certain element of posters who refuse to allow it to. Pro-Israeli posters have literally given up because we didn't do a good enough job at the beginning.

Do you know who suggested the crackdown here in the Mod Forum? De Niro. That's how bad it has gotten.

Well Said.
 

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