Freedom of speech - edited

[Bibinho]

Re: Freedom of speech

Jewmoon - I did find that funny. Maybe an idea for a new forum?

I literally laughed out loud!!

 

[stony]

Re: Freedom of speech

Just too many Israeli sympathisers that don't like hearing the truth so they resort to the tried and tested, "stop being anti-semitic stance" and make sure the thread gets ended. I love the mods on here.

Do you know WHY somebody was called anti-Semitic before (and they weren't actually called anti-Semitic or racist but rather were accused of making anti-Semitic comments)? Because he posted a conspiracy theory that "THE JEWS" are controlling the American financial institutions from behind the scenes and forcing the US to stay out of Israeli politics. And I called his comments anti-Semitic and Ducado called them a racial slur.

It pisses me off that people are now qualifying statements like anybody at all would call them a racist for criticising Israel when we've had 700 pages of Israel criticism over the last few weeks. The reason the mods have become more heavy handed in the last few days is how ridiculously racist some of those comments were and how Ducado and PB felt pressured not to touch them purely because they're Jews and don't want to be seen as "controlling". So then the rest of us took over the heavy work in terms of moderating the thread based on what we personally find unacceptable as non-Jews and non-Arabs, with a mixture of theists and atheists. Then because we started pulling threads when they either break down past the point of argument or when some clown starts throwing out anti-Semitic remarks about how Israel and the Jews need to be wiped off the face of the Earth (which has literally been said in these threads, more than once by more than one users).

Yesterday, two largely anti-Israel users were banned. Both were banned by me. One of them was because he went off on a dadiast-type rage in the forum then PM'ed a moderator literally to call him a c**t and go off on him. He got a month, mainly as this was a build up of things over time and the PM was unacceptable. The other one was because I thought they were either drunk or remarkably pissed off, and went off on one in the forum. He got a month then reduced it to a day as to be fair it's the first time he's really done something like that and hopefully he'll come back calmed down and think before he posts.

The mods have gotten more heavy handed (and by the mods I mainly mean myself) because anti-semitism IS on the rise on Bluemoon. We've got 20 examples in the Mod Forum from the last few days alone. Would you like to know what somebody suggested the other day? That I, an Anglo-Saxon agnostic atheist, had been read the Riot Act by the other mods and strongly hinted that somehow THE JEWS are now in control of the moderation team on a football forum. Then he called it "JewMoon" and said that all anti-Israel sentiment is being censored. He said this in a thread literally filled with anti-Israel sentiment.

This Israel-Palestine conflict from a Bluemoon standpoint is like watching posters beat the shit out of Israel for 20 pages calling them every name under the Sun and then when somebody pipes up that maybe this isn't a black and white issue, they are immediately drown out by self-righteous people who declare that they're "apologists", "sympathisers", "murderers" or on one occasion "a fucking Jew". Then when a mod thinks that the arguments have gotten out of hand, we get new threads stating how the mods are pro-Israel. Despite the fact that if you look at the mods opinion, they're largely divided on the issue.

Threads are getting pulled for an incredibly simple reason; the same posters are creating arguments instead of trying to discuss the issue. People aren't asking for freedom of speech, people are asking for the right to sit in a thread and agree with each other over and over and wait until somebody disagrees with them so they can round up on them. The days of PB and Skashion having informative discussions about the nature of the conflict are long gone and no discussion is taking place because there's a certain element of posters who refuse to allow it to. Pro-Israeli posters have literally given up because we didn't do a good enough job at the beginning.

Do you know who suggested the crackdown here in the Mod Forum? De Niro. That's how bad it has gotten.

If anything the mods are getting soft. Some of the stuff you mentioned are worthy of a perma ban. Its racist and its hate filled and no one on the forum should have to put up with it.

 

[Carstairs]

Re: Freedom of speech

Great post.

What does dadiast mean? Can't find it in the dictionary.

I misspelt Dadaist.

Da·da or da·da (dädä)
n.

A European artistic and literary movement (1916-1923) that flouted conventional aesthetic and cultural values by producing works marked by nonsense, travesty, and incongruity.

[French dada, hobbyhorse, Dada, of baby-talk origin.]

Dada·ism n.
Dada·ist adj. & n.
Dada·istic adj.

That's a good way of outwitting the Grammar and Spelling Police.

Confuse them into submission...

 

[Damocles]

Re: Freedom of speech

Just too many Israeli sympathisers that don't like hearing the truth so they resort to the tried and tested, "stop being anti-semitic stance" and make sure the thread gets ended. I love the mods on here.

Do you know WHY somebody was called anti-Semitic before (and they weren't actually called anti-Semitic or racist but rather were accused of making anti-Semitic comments)? Because he posted a conspiracy theory that "THE JEWS" are controlling the American financial institutions from behind the scenes and forcing the US to stay out of Israeli politics. And I called his comments anti-Semitic and Ducado called them a racial slur.

It pisses me off that people are now qualifying statements like anybody at all would call them a racist for criticising Israel when we've had 700 pages of Israel criticism over the last few weeks. The reason the mods have become more heavy handed in the last few days is how ridiculously racist some of those comments were and how Ducado and PB felt pressured not to touch them purely because they're Jews and don't want to be seen as "controlling". So then the rest of us took over the heavy work in terms of moderating the thread based on what we personally find unacceptable as non-Jews and non-Arabs, with a mixture of theists and atheists. Then because we started pulling threads when they either break down past the point of argument or when some clown starts throwing out anti-Semitic remarks about how Israel and the Jews need to be wiped off the face of the Earth (which has literally been said in these threads, more than once by more than one users).

Yesterday, two largely anti-Israel users were banned. Both were banned by me. One of them was because he went off on a dadiast-type rage in the forum then PM'ed a moderator literally to call him a c**t and go off on him. He got a month, mainly as this was a build up of things over time and the PM was unacceptable. The other one was because I thought they were either drunk or remarkably pissed off, and went off on one in the forum. He got a month then reduced it to a day as to be fair it's the first time he's really done something like that and hopefully he'll come back calmed down and think before he posts.

The mods have gotten more heavy handed (and by the mods I mainly mean myself) because anti-semitism IS on the rise on Bluemoon. We've got 20 examples in the Mod Forum from the last few days alone. Would you like to know what somebody suggested the other day? That I, an Anglo-Saxon agnostic atheist, had been read the Riot Act by the other mods and strongly hinted that somehow THE JEWS are now in control of the moderation team on a football forum. Then he called it "JewMoon" and said that all anti-Israel sentiment is being censored. He said this in a thread literally filled with anti-Israel sentiment.

This Israel-Palestine conflict from a Bluemoon standpoint is like watching posters beat the shit out of Israel for 20 pages calling them every name under the Sun and then when somebody pipes up that maybe this isn't a black and white issue, they are immediately drown out by self-righteous people who declare that they're "apologists", "sympathisers", "murderers" or on one occasion "a fucking Jew". Then when a mod thinks that the arguments have gotten out of hand, we get new threads stating how the mods are pro-Israel. Despite the fact that if you look at the mods opinion, they're largely divided on the issue.

Threads are getting pulled for an incredibly simple reason; the same posters are creating arguments instead of trying to discuss the issue. People aren't asking for freedom of speech, people are asking for the right to sit in a thread and agree with each other over and over and wait until somebody disagrees with them so they can round up on them. The days of PB and Skashion having informative discussions about the nature of the conflict are long gone and no discussion is taking place because there's a certain element of posters who refuse to allow it to. Pro-Israeli posters have literally given up because we didn't do a good enough job at the beginning.

Do you know who suggested the crackdown here in the Mod Forum? De Niro. That's how bad it has gotten.

If anything the mods are getting soft. Some of the stuff you mentioned are worthy of a perma ban. Its racist and its hate filled and no one on the forum should have to put up with it.

True but this is how over sensitive we've become about allegations of heavy-handedness. We're FAR less strict than we were in the past and it's now incredibly hard to get perma-banned.

The problem is that everybody wants moderation but nobody wants to be moderated. More than that, a certain group of people now feel that every noticeable moderation decision should be questioned and argued whether they have anything to do with it or not just because they feel they can. This isn't to suggest that moderation decisions shouldn't be questioned but there's a very well known and often stated procedure for doing this and it's to complain directly to Ric rather than start a thread exactly like this one. We even used to lock these threads before but now don't.

Many mods don't bother modding some of the nastier stuff out of fear of accusations of heavy handedness and to be honest, they can't be arsed with the arguing it will generate. There's numerous occasions I've thought to myself that a person should be warned for a post and the like of but it's just not worth the hassle of the back and forth for 2 or 3 days and how personally people take things so have left it.

At numerous points in times we've had to have a min-crackdown on a certain issue simply because people don't get the point and threads take over the forum and bleed into each other. Israel is a good example and it's bled into the USA/Iraq thread. A better example was the Mancini/Pellegrini stuff that didn't just stick to that single thread but polluted almost every thread on every subject on the forum and bitter rivalries were forged where people who had opposite sides on that issue are STILL arguing today with the same venom on different issues.

It's a little bit Catch-22. You do something then you're wrong. You don't do something then you're wrong. Either way you're getting flak from some quarters so I've found that the best course of action is to follow your gut about when things get out of hand and try to work with each other in the Mod Forum to find some sort of consensus.

 

[The Flash]

Or aliens

Fuck off, Gonch!

 

[ColinBellsjockstrap]

Re: Freedom of speech

It's a case of nipping a thread in the bud before things escalate to be honest, we don't want to be dishing out warnings and bans if we can help it, sometimes just pulling or splitting the thread helps calm things down.

Ah, but what about when a thread is simply shite? I started a thread a few days ago, which was pretty rank (possible spelling mistake there!) and had it confirmed via pm off a mod that it was in the mod room. No sign of it coming back either. And, TAKE NOTE, I don't particularly want it back either. But, as far as I remember, there wasn't anything particularly objectionable in it. If you're going to start pulling threads simply because they're shite, then you mods are going to be very busy!

In that case, my guess is they will be employing a new mod just to look after Colinbellsjockstrap's threads

What was wrong with my thread about sterilised milk?...It had loads of replies. A fascinating topic of discussion.



And as for my animated gif thread, it has proved VERY popular.....look at the viewing figures.......:)



And don't get me started on my Coronation Street thread........


Personally I blame Nimrod, Drone and BBB.

 

[TheMightyQuinn]

Just don't mention tories and kids and you'll be OK.......

 

[Crab Paste!]

Re: Freedom of speech

Just too many Israeli sympathisers that don't like hearing the truth so they resort to the tried and tested, "stop being anti-semitic stance" and make sure the thread gets ended. I love the mods on here.

Do you know WHY somebody was called anti-Semitic before (and they weren't actually called anti-Semitic or racist but rather were accused of making anti-Semitic comments)? Because he posted a conspiracy theory that "THE JEWS" are controlling the American financial institutions from behind the scenes and forcing the US to stay out of Israeli politics. And I called his comments anti-Semitic and Ducado called them a racial slur.

It pisses me off that people are now qualifying statements like anybody at all would call them a racist for criticising Israel when we've had 700 pages of Israel criticism over the last few weeks. The reason the mods have become more heavy handed in the last few days is how ridiculously racist some of those comments were and how Ducado and PB felt pressured not to touch them purely because they're Jews and don't want to be seen as "controlling". So then the rest of us took over the heavy work in terms of moderating the thread based on what we personally find unacceptable as non-Jews and non-Arabs, with a mixture of theists and atheists. Then because we started pulling threads when they either break down past the point of argument or when some clown starts throwing out anti-Semitic remarks about how Israel and the Jews need to be wiped off the face of the Earth (which has literally been said in these threads, more than once by more than one users).

Yesterday, two largely anti-Israel users were banned. Both were banned by me. One of them was because he went off on a dadiast-type rage in the forum then PM'ed a moderator literally to call him a c**t and go off on him. He got a month, mainly as this was a build up of things over time and the PM was unacceptable. The other one was because I thought they were either drunk or remarkably pissed off, and went off on one in the forum. He got a month then reduced it to a day as to be fair it's the first time he's really done something like that and hopefully he'll come back calmed down and think before he posts.

The mods have gotten more heavy handed (and by the mods I mainly mean myself) because anti-semitism IS on the rise on Bluemoon. We've got 20 examples in the Mod Forum from the last few days alone. Would you like to know what somebody suggested the other day? That I, an Anglo-Saxon agnostic atheist, had been read the Riot Act by the other mods and strongly hinted that somehow THE JEWS are now in control of the moderation team on a football forum. Then he called it "JewMoon" and said that all anti-Israel sentiment is being censored. He said this in a thread literally filled with anti-Israel sentiment.

This Israel-Palestine conflict from a Bluemoon standpoint is like watching posters beat the shit out of Israel for 20 pages calling them every name under the Sun and then when somebody pipes up that maybe this isn't a black and white issue, they are immediately drown out by self-righteous people who declare that they're "apologists", "sympathisers", "murderers" or on one occasion "a fucking Jew". Then when a mod thinks that the arguments have gotten out of hand, we get new threads stating how the mods are pro-Israel. Despite the fact that if you look at the mods opinion, they're largely divided on the issue.

Threads are getting pulled for an incredibly simple reason; the same posters are creating arguments instead of trying to discuss the issue. People aren't asking for freedom of speech, people are asking for the right to sit in a thread and agree with each other over and over and wait until somebody disagrees with them so they can round up on them. The days of PB and Skashion having informative discussions about the nature of the conflict are long gone and no discussion is taking place because there's a certain element of posters who refuse to allow it to. Pro-Israeli posters have literally given up because we didn't do a good enough job at the beginning.

Do you know who suggested the crackdown here in the Mod Forum? De Niro. That's how bad it has gotten.

You've certainly changed your tune!

One week ago....

Ducado wrote:



'Because they were Jews I would think, Jewish life does not seem to matter, these threads are pretty pointless and tend to verge on the anti-Semitic as they progress, it's an intractable problem and one that needs sorting out with a two a state solution'


To which you responded (rather well I thought)

Damocles wrote on Fri Jul 04, 2014 2:19 pm:


'Maybe it's because you're a mod that nobody called you out on this but this is ridiculous and massively insulting to the users of this forum.

A small shade of anti-semitism has risen recently on the forum. It's gone from about 0.1% to 0.2%. Your constantly and unwavering excuses for Israel and every single thing that Israel does, including calling everybody who disagrees an anti-Semite have a lot to do with it. People don't disagree with you because they're "anti-Semites" for whom "Jewish life doesn't seem to matter", they do it because you're a massive hypocrite who defends illegal acts because you happen to share the state religion of a country. If the roles were reversed and Palestine was the country/Israel were the nationalists, I have absolutely no doubt that your judgement and morality would magically morph just as your morality seems to magically morph when we talk about Israelis and Palestinians.'



I know a week is a long time in politics, football, and bluemoon, but that's quite an about face.

For what it's worth, I think you were spot on with your post of a week ago and I genuinely don't think the forum has become any more anti-semitic in the last week.

Did Ducardo give you a Chinese burn in the mod room?

 

[stony]

Re: Freedom of speech

Do you know WHY somebody was called anti-Semitic before (and they weren't actually called anti-Semitic or racist but rather were accused of making anti-Semitic comments)? Because he posted a conspiracy theory that "THE JEWS" are controlling the American financial institutions from behind the scenes and forcing the US to stay out of Israeli politics. And I called his comments anti-Semitic and Ducado called them a racial slur.

It pisses me off that people are now qualifying statements like anybody at all would call them a racist for criticising Israel when we've had 700 pages of Israel criticism over the last few weeks. The reason the mods have become more heavy handed in the last few days is how ridiculously racist some of those comments were and how Ducado and PB felt pressured not to touch them purely because they're Jews and don't want to be seen as "controlling". So then the rest of us took over the heavy work in terms of moderating the thread based on what we personally find unacceptable as non-Jews and non-Arabs, with a mixture of theists and atheists. Then because we started pulling threads when they either break down past the point of argument or when some clown starts throwing out anti-Semitic remarks about how Israel and the Jews need to be wiped off the face of the Earth (which has literally been said in these threads, more than once by more than one users).

Yesterday, two largely anti-Israel users were banned. Both were banned by me. One of them was because he went off on a dadiast-type rage in the forum then PM'ed a moderator literally to call him a c**t and go off on him. He got a month, mainly as this was a build up of things over time and the PM was unacceptable. The other one was because I thought they were either drunk or remarkably pissed off, and went off on one in the forum. He got a month then reduced it to a day as to be fair it's the first time he's really done something like that and hopefully he'll come back calmed down and think before he posts.

The mods have gotten more heavy handed (and by the mods I mainly mean myself) because anti-semitism IS on the rise on Bluemoon. We've got 20 examples in the Mod Forum from the last few days alone. Would you like to know what somebody suggested the other day? That I, an Anglo-Saxon agnostic atheist, had been read the Riot Act by the other mods and strongly hinted that somehow THE JEWS are now in control of the moderation team on a football forum. Then he called it "JewMoon" and said that all anti-Israel sentiment is being censored. He said this in a thread literally filled with anti-Israel sentiment.

This Israel-Palestine conflict from a Bluemoon standpoint is like watching posters beat the shit out of Israel for 20 pages calling them every name under the Sun and then when somebody pipes up that maybe this isn't a black and white issue, they are immediately drown out by self-righteous people who declare that they're "apologists", "sympathisers", "murderers" or on one occasion "a fucking Jew". Then when a mod thinks that the arguments have gotten out of hand, we get new threads stating how the mods are pro-Israel. Despite the fact that if you look at the mods opinion, they're largely divided on the issue.

Threads are getting pulled for an incredibly simple reason; the same posters are creating arguments instead of trying to discuss the issue. People aren't asking for freedom of speech, people are asking for the right to sit in a thread and agree with each other over and over and wait until somebody disagrees with them so they can round up on them. The days of PB and Skashion having informative discussions about the nature of the conflict are long gone and no discussion is taking place because there's a certain element of posters who refuse to allow it to. Pro-Israeli posters have literally given up because we didn't do a good enough job at the beginning.

Do you know who suggested the crackdown here in the Mod Forum? De Niro. That's how bad it has gotten.

If anything the mods are getting soft. Some of the stuff you mentioned are worthy of a perma ban. Its racist and its hate filled and no one on the forum should have to put up with it.

True but this is how over sensitive we've become about allegations of heavy-handedness. We're FAR less strict than we were in the past and it's now incredibly hard to get perma-banned.

The problem is that everybody wants moderation but nobody wants to be moderated. More than that, a certain group of people now feel that every noticeable moderation decision should be questioned and argued whether they have anything to do with it or not just because they feel they can. This isn't to suggest that moderation decisions shouldn't be questioned but there's a very well known and often stated procedure for doing this and it's to complain directly to Ric rather than start a thread exactly like this one. We even used to lock these threads before but now don't.

Many mods don't bother modding some of the nastier stuff out of fear of accusations of heavy handedness and to be honest, they can't be arsed with the arguing it will generate. There's numerous occasions I've thought to myself that a person should be warned for a post and the like of but it's just not worth the hassle of the back and forth for 2 or 3 days and how personally people take things so have left it.

At numerous points in times we've had to have a min-crackdown on a certain issue simply because people don't get the point and threads take over the forum and bleed into each other. Israel is a good example and it's bled into the USA/Iraq thread. A better example was the Mancini/Pellegrini stuff that didn't just stick to that single thread but polluted almost every thread on every subject on the forum and bitter rivalries were forged where people who had opposite sides on that issue are STILL arguing today with the same venom on different issues.

It's a little bit Catch-22. You do something then you're wrong. You don't do something then you're wrong. Either way you're getting flak from some quarters so I've found that the best course of action is to follow your gut about when things get out of hand and try to work with each other in the Mod Forum to find some sort of consensus.

I understand the problems all too well, and the reluctance to issue warnings when the likelihood is you'll spend the rest of the evening trying to justify your decision in PM, and forever have your decisions questioned by the people you have warned. 6 months down the line and someone else does something and they get away with it, you get another PM asking why they haven't been warned and on it goes.

The people who tend to complain most about the mods are the ones most in need of moderation. They kick up so much of a stink that they start to get away with stuff. Its the baconface effect. In much the same way that refs have given the rags leeway and extra time added on in games when they needed it, mods will give the biggest trouble causer extra leeway. I bet when its discussed between the mods you hear phrases like "Well its only *insert name* and everyone knows what he's like" well yes everyone does know and it still doesn't excuse it.

I'm not having a pop mate, I know what you have to deal with and I wouldn't want to do that again for anything.

 

[Gelsons Dad]

Re: Freedom of speech

If anything the mods are getting soft. Some of the stuff you mentioned are worthy of a perma ban. Its racist and its hate filled and no one on the forum should have to put up with it.

True but this is how over sensitive we've become about allegations of heavy-handedness. We're FAR less strict than we were in the past and it's now incredibly hard to get perma-banned.

The problem is that everybody wants moderation but nobody wants to be moderated. More than that, a certain group of people now feel that every noticeable moderation decision should be questioned and argued whether they have anything to do with it or not just because they feel they can. This isn't to suggest that moderation decisions shouldn't be questioned but there's a very well known and often stated procedure for doing this and it's to complain directly to Ric rather than start a thread exactly like this one. We even used to lock these threads before but now don't.

Many mods don't bother modding some of the nastier stuff out of fear of accusations of heavy handedness and to be honest, they can't be arsed with the arguing it will generate. There's numerous occasions I've thought to myself that a person should be warned for a post and the like of but it's just not worth the hassle of the back and forth for 2 or 3 days and how personally people take things so have left it.

At numerous points in times we've had to have a min-crackdown on a certain issue simply because people don't get the point and threads take over the forum and bleed into each other. Israel is a good example and it's bled into the USA/Iraq thread. A better example was the Mancini/Pellegrini stuff that didn't just stick to that single thread but polluted almost every thread on every subject on the forum and bitter rivalries were forged where people who had opposite sides on that issue are STILL arguing today with the same venom on different issues.

It's a little bit Catch-22. You do something then you're wrong. You don't do something then you're wrong. Either way you're getting flak from some quarters so I've found that the best course of action is to follow your gut about when things get out of hand and try to work with each other in the Mod Forum to find some sort of consensus.

I understand the problems all too well, and the reluctance to issue warnings when the likelihood is you'll spend the rest of the evening trying to justify your decision in PM, and forever have your decisions questioned by the people you have warned. 6 months down the line and someone else does something and they get away with it, you get another PM asking why they haven't been warned and on it goes.

The people who tend to complain most about the mods are the ones most in need of moderation. They kick up so much of a stink that they start to get away with stuff. Its the baconface effect. In much the same way that refs have given the rags leeway and extra time added on in games when they needed it, mods will give the biggest trouble causer extra leeway. I bet when its discussed between the mods you hear phrases like "Well its only *insert name* and everyone knows what he's like" well yes everyone does know and it still doesn't excuse it.

I'm not having a pop mate, I know what you have to deal with and I wouldn't want to do that again for anything.

^this^

 

[Bill]

the problem is the mods are blues, normal blues, they know things can get heated. i dont usually mither with a warning, i'd usually pm. the pm's that come the other way usually imply the poster holding thier hands up. cos i'm a rum fucker i also rarely ban but this racist shit has got out of hand.
expect a tougher approach from now on. from me anyway.

its no good being nice.

shame.

 

[tidyman]

I've got nothing constructive to add but just wanted to say that,

Freedom of Speech - Edited.

is probably my favourite thread title I've read on here.

 

[jimharri]

the problem is the mods are blues, normal blues, they know things can get heated. i dont usually mither with a warning, i'd usually pm. the pm's that come the other way usually imply the poster holding thier hands up. cos i'm a rum fucker i also rarely ban but this racist shit has got out of hand.
expect a tougher approach from now on. from me anyway.

its no good being nice.

shame.

Ah; the old ''good cop/bad cop'' routine. Only with out the ''good cop'' bit.

 

[Dicko69]

Didn't realise how bad its been on here, shocking and shameful. I try to stay out of these serious threads, I come on here looking for lighthearted debate and hopefully something to amuse while the soaps are. Keep up the good/hard work mods. You prob don't hear it much but you are appreciated, all your time you put in helping ric keeping this mostly wonderful site going

 

[Ronnie the Rep]

the problem is the mods are blues, normal blues, they know things can get heated. i dont usually mither with a warning, i'd usually pm. the pm's that come the other way usually imply the poster holding thier hands up. cos i'm a rum fucker i also rarely ban but this racist shit has got out of hand.
expect a tougher approach from now on. from me anyway.

its no good being nice.

shame.

TBH, it's getting so bad that I don't bother posting on most threads, you can't have a decent debate about stuff on here now without either getting shouted down or told you are stupid/naïve/uneducated etc. if shit like this happened in a pub (where most discussions used to take place) there's a fair few on here who would get battered.

That's probably why it used to be an unwritten rule in a pub that you didn't discuss religion or politics

 

[Gaylord du Bois]

Re: Freedom of speech

Jewmoon - I did find that funny. Maybe an idea for a new forum?

I literally laughed out loud!!

Ditto. Who's the dadiast?

 

[dronefromsector7g]

I've got nothing constructive to add but just wanted to say that,

Freedom of Speech - Edited.

is probably my favourite thread title I've read on here.

The irony wasn't lost on me when I read that back.

 

[Ducado]

I don't like it when people become polarized as this or that for having a different opinion, we seem to be very intolerant and that is the problem

 

[Rascal]

Whingeing cunts.

Good job i dont have a banning stick.

 

[mackenzie]

the problem is the mods are blues, normal blues, they know things can get heated. i dont usually mither with a warning, i'd usually pm. the pm's that come the other way usually imply the poster holding thier hands up. cos i'm a rum fucker i also rarely ban but this racist shit has got out of hand.
expect a tougher approach from now on. from me anyway.

its no good being nice.

shame.

TBH, it's getting so bad that I don't bother posting on most threads, you can't have a decent debate about stuff on here now without either getting shouted down or told you are stupid/naïve/uneducated etc. if shit like this happened in a pub (where most discussions used to take place) there's a fair few on here who would get battered.

That's probably why it used to be an unwritten rule in a pub that you didn't discuss religion or politics

We even had to ban both subjects at family gatherings at one point. We had a potent mix of Tories, Socialists, Catholics and Atheists. And I'm talking immediate family here, numbering about a dozen max!