Froch Vs Groves

[Kippaxstreetheadache]

I had Groves leading by 2 rounds at the stopage at least. The stopage was a joke. How the ref stopped that I dont know. If it was Froch I dont think it would of been stopped as of his warrior fighting persona he got from media. Theres Groves fighting first World title fight and gets stopped like that not on at all. I want to see a rematch I done Groves to win on points and decision so I feel a bit robbed by the ref. A rematch defo could happen makes money sense for Groves and Froch and Hearn but I dont know if Froch will take it as after that fight I dont think he has many fights left in him. Golovkin if he moves up or a rematch with Ward could well be Carls last fight. Think Groves will win a World title fight. Shame he left Booth as he would seen it all before and had Groves go out differently in the later rounds.

Groves could've taken a knee to give himself a break which would've made the round a 10-8 and put Froch ahead on the cards anyway. Froch was coming on strong at that point and starting to take control, he would've either sparked Groves out (which likely would've happened at the time of the stoppage) or he would've won by 2-3 points on the cards with a late rally.

You put far too much stock into Adam Booth.

Sorry mate, but that's bollocks.

You sound like a Froch fan with the tinted glasses on.

Groves was the aggressor for most of the fight, he beat Froch to almost every punch. He made Froch looked like a piss head on a Saturday for most of the fight.

Not to mention he put him on his arse.

I'll give you that Froch looked to be recovering. I think Groves was beginning to feel the pace, and he was definitely hurt at the time of the stoppage, but it was entirely premature.

The idea that Groves was only a point ahead at the time of the stoppage is complete and utter nonsense. Besides the dodgy judges, I doubt you'd find any impartial boxing fans that would agree with that scoring.

 

[leighton]

I had Groves leading by 2 rounds at the stopage at least. The stopage was a joke. How the ref stopped that I dont know. If it was Froch I dont think it would of been stopped as of his warrior fighting persona he got from media. Theres Groves fighting first World title fight and gets stopped like that not on at all. I want to see a rematch I done Groves to win on points and decision so I feel a bit robbed by the ref. A rematch defo could happen makes money sense for Groves and Froch and Hearn but I dont know if Froch will take it as after that fight I dont think he has many fights left in him. Golovkin if he moves up or a rematch with Ward could well be Carls last fight. Think Groves will win a World title fight. Shame he left Booth as he would seen it all before and had Groves go out differently in the later rounds.

Groves could've taken a knee to give himself a break which would've made the round a 10-8 and put Froch ahead on the cards anyway. Froch was coming on strong at that point and starting to take control, he would've either sparked Groves out (which likely would've happened at the time of the stoppage) or he would've won by 2-3 points on the cards with a late rally.

You put far too much stock into Adam Booth.

Sorry mate, but that's bollocks.

You sound like a Froch fan with the tinted glasses on.

Groves was the aggressor for most of the fight, he beat Froch to almost every punch. He made Froch looked like a piss head on a Saturday for most of the fight.

Not to mention he put him on his arse.

I'll give you that Froch looked to be recovering. I think Groves was beginning to feel the pace, and he was definitely hurt at the time of the stoppage, but it was entirely premature.

The idea that Groves was only a point ahead at the time of the stoppage is complete and utter nonsense. Besides the dodgy judges, I doubt you'd find any impartial boxing fans that would agree with that scoring.

Conor its not about Adam Booth its about everything. Changing a new coach on the eve of the biggest fight is the biggest no no in any fighters plans. It would normally take 2 to 3 fights to get used to the new trainer and his ideas. It was a schoolboy mistake. Even if you dont rate Booth as a trainer or whatever he gets his best out of his fighters. Andy Lee himself has come out and said it has taken him 2 fights to fully change from Steward to Booth and new ideas and most of the fighters would argee on this. So the time will tell. Hearn claims Froch v Groves 2 could be made depending on Carl and he thinks Groves deserves another shot.

 

[Anonymous]

I had Groves leading by 2 rounds at the stopage at least. The stopage was a joke. How the ref stopped that I dont know. If it was Froch I dont think it would of been stopped as of his warrior fighting persona he got from media. Theres Groves fighting first World title fight and gets stopped like that not on at all. I want to see a rematch I done Groves to win on points and decision so I feel a bit robbed by the ref. A rematch defo could happen makes money sense for Groves and Froch and Hearn but I dont know if Froch will take it as after that fight I dont think he has many fights left in him. Golovkin if he moves up or a rematch with Ward could well be Carls last fight. Think Groves will win a World title fight. Shame he left Booth as he would seen it all before and had Groves go out differently in the later rounds.

Groves could've taken a knee to give himself a break which would've made the round a 10-8 and put Froch ahead on the cards anyway. Froch was coming on strong at that point and starting to take control, he would've either sparked Groves out (which likely would've happened at the time of the stoppage) or he would've won by 2-3 points on the cards with a late rally.

You put far too much stock into Adam Booth.

Sorry mate, but that's bollocks.

You sound like a Froch fan with the tinted glasses on.

Groves was the aggressor for most of the fight, he beat Froch to almost every punch. He made Froch looked like a piss head on a Saturday for most of the fight.

Not to mention he put him on his arse.

I'll give you that Froch looked to be recovering. I think Groves was beginning to feel the pace, and he was definitely hurt at the time of the stoppage, but it was entirely premature.

The idea that Groves was only a point ahead at the time of the stoppage is complete and utter nonsense. Besides the dodgy judges, I doubt you'd find any impartial boxing fans that would agree with that scoring.

Well said. I completely agree.

 

[shevtheblue]

Groves could've taken a knee to give himself a break which would've made the round a 10-8 and put Froch ahead on the cards anyway. Froch was coming on strong at that point and starting to take control, he would've either sparked Groves out (which likely would've happened at the time of the stoppage) or he would've won by 2-3 points on the cards with a late rally.

You put far too much stock into Adam Booth.

Sorry mate, but that's bollocks.

You sound like a Froch fan with the tinted glasses on.

Groves was the aggressor for most of the fight, he beat Froch to almost every punch. He made Froch looked like a piss head on a Saturday for most of the fight.

Not to mention he put him on his arse.

I'll give you that Froch looked to be recovering. I think Groves was beginning to feel the pace, and he was definitely hurt at the time of the stoppage, but it was entirely premature.

The idea that Groves was only a point ahead at the time of the stoppage is complete and utter nonsense. Besides the dodgy judges, I doubt you'd find any impartial boxing fans that would agree with that scoring.

Conor its not about Adam Booth its about everything. Changing a new coach on the eve of the biggest fight is the biggest no no in any fighters plans. It would normally take 2 to 3 fights to get used to the new trainer and his ideas. It was a schoolboy mistake. Even if you dont rate Booth as a trainer or whatever he gets his best out of his fighters. Andy Lee himself has come out and said it has taken him 2 fights to fully change from Steward to Booth and new ideas and most of the fighters would argee on this. So the time will tell. Hearn claims Froch v Groves 2 could be made depending on Carl and he thinks Groves deserves another shot.

I don't think they changed the gameplan at all..they used what Booth had already planned out.
if anyone thinks this fight was over then go and take a look at the mma fight between Kongo and Barry for proof that a fighter that looks dead on his feet is dangerous. Besides, groves was still defending himself and swinging back.

 

[deafmanstevo]

Hope if there is a rematch it's in Manchester again, could go last night was at a do. Sounds like a good night and good atmosphere from what I've heard of those that went. Bet the pubs and bars were heaving before and after the fight.

 

[Never Mind The Pollocks]

The result isn't but Froch acted a twat to declare he deserved that win and the ref got it right.

The crowd proved that.

A lot of a sportsman's winning ability and fighting spirit is tied to their persona, drop that and they can become less of a threat in their particular field. However I agree that Froch came across as arsehole when he went on about Groves, "as a person...",oh please fuck off. However Groves was finished in that fight, he had trouble standing up and he wouldn't have made it to end of the round. He should reflect on the fight take pride from bettering Froch, but cut out the indiscipline and come back to retire Froch next time round.

He was in less bother than Froch in round 1.

Bollocks mate utter bollocks.

 

[Rocket-footed kolarov]

A lot of a sportsman's winning ability and fighting spirit is tied to their persona, drop that and they can become less of a threat in their particular field. However I agree that Froch came across as arsehole when he went on about Groves, "as a person...",oh please fuck off. However Groves was finished in that fight, he had trouble standing up and he wouldn't have made it to end of the round. He should reflect on the fight take pride from bettering Froch, but cut out the indiscipline and come back to retire Froch next time round.

He was in less bother than Froch in round 1.

Bollocks mate utter bollocks.

Leave Ban alone now. Actually, no change of mind, time to dig out this clip again.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tdhQWkTl1PQ[/youtube]

I would openly admit to not knowing much about boxing, and it was common sense that drew me to the distinction between being knocked down in the first and fatigued and dazed and in danger of injury in the latter rounds. Tidyman of course seems to know his stuff and made that point better. The trouble with Ban is he easily gets carried away and doesn't know to admit he is out of depth and doesn't know a clue what he is talking about.

 

[Bluemoonbaldboy]

Was a cracking night ruined by the ref. To be honest I feel the judge who had Groves 1 up going into the 9th was about right, Groves was landing the cleaner stuff but was only doing it in short bursts in a fair few rounds where as Froch was being more consistent. Rounds 8 and 9 before the stoppage it was clear Groves was feeling the pace and Froch was hurting him however he deserved to lose cleanly not like that for a split second I thought Foster was going to give Groves a standing 8 count then realised it was the end. It was proper Rocky Balboa in Russia stuff the way the decision turned the crowd in Groves favour he does deserve a rematch.

 

[nw42]

Like others I felt the ref stopped it too early but having watched the ending again and seen the succession of heavy rights Froch dished out without reply I'm changing my mind. Groves was getting pummelled and the commentator was saying he was in trouble, he could have been badly hurt had it continued.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wjcvCxNWw48[/youtube]

As for Froch getting stick, harsh on him really, he did all that could be expected of him, apart from the waffle in the post fight interview.

 

[Bluemoonbaldboy]

Like others I felt the ref stopped it too early but having watched the ending again and seen the succession of heavy rights Froch dished out without reply I'm changing my mind. Groves was getting pummelled and the commentator was saying he was in trouble, he could have been badly hurt had it continued.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wjcvCxNWw48[/youtube]

As for Froch getting stick, harsh on him really, he did all that could be expected of him, apart from the waffle in the post fight interview.

Not really he'd accused Groves of being classless in the build up then was very classless himself. Watching that video is interesting though the commentators saying his legs were gone makes the stoppage seem a little less harsh but still was probably too early

 

[Anonymous]

He was in less bother than Froch in round 1.

Bollocks mate utter bollocks.

Leave Ban alone now. Actually, no change of mind, time to dig out this clip again.


I would openly admit to not knowing much about boxing, and it was common sense that drew me to the distinction between being knocked down in the first and fatigued and dazed and in danger of injury in the latter rounds. Tidyman of course seems to know his stuff and made that point better. The trouble with Ban is he easily gets carried away and doesn't know to admit he is out of depth and doesn't know a clue what he is talking about.

When you've quit climbing up Tidyman's arse hole let me know.

Froch was knocked down in the first round, his legs went and he couldn't stand, Groves was still on his feet and defending himself when the fight was stopped, I know you have to consider fatigue but to stop a fight without a boxer ever going down in a fight is strange. There isn't a boxer or boxing pundit alive that disagreed it wasn't a terrible call. I have boxed myself actually, not at any level but I sparred during my teenage years so just because you and a couple of your forum buddies always think you are right and suck each other off about it, doesn't mean you are. Groves had taken a couple of shots, nothing more, nothing less and to stop it then was a disgrace.

There's two arguments we've disagreed on recently and the professionals, either the politicians or boxing pundits have been on my side.

So take that video and shove it up your arse.

 

[Rocket-footed kolarov]

Bollocks mate utter bollocks.

Leave Ban alone now. Actually, no change of mind, time to dig out this clip again.


I would openly admit to not knowing much about boxing, and it was common sense that drew me to the distinction between being knocked down in the first and fatigued and dazed and in danger of injury in the latter rounds. Tidyman of course seems to know his stuff and made that point better. The trouble with Ban is he easily gets carried away and doesn't know to admit he is out of depth and doesn't know a clue what he is talking about.

When you've quit climbing up Tidyman's arse hole let me know.

Froch was knocked down in the first round, his legs went and he couldn't stand, Groves was still on his feet and defending himself when the fight was stopped, I know you have to consider fatigue but to stop a fight without a boxer ever going down in a fight is strange. There isn't a boxer or boxing pundit alive that disagreed it wasn't a terrible call. I have boxed myself actually, not at any level but I sparred during my teenage years so just because you and a couple of your forum buddies always think you are right and suck each other off about it, doesn't mean you are. Groves had taken a couple of shots, nothing more, nothing less and to stop it then was a disgrace.

There's two arguments we've disagreed on recently and the professionals, either the politicians or boxing pundits have been on my side.

So take that video and shove it up your arse.

Oh dear, I was hardly arse licking I made the point before him and what he said backed it up and expanded on it.

Oh the politicians agree with you, oh well then I think you have won there. And pundits interested in hyping up interest with controversy.

A lot of homoerotic references there Ban, I thought you were secure in your sexuality, seems not though, in fact you seem a very angry young man. Maybe you could shack up with Helmet Cole, he might bring out the best in you. ;)

 

[Anonymous]

Leave Ban alone now. Actually, no change of mind, time to dig out this clip again.


I would openly admit to not knowing much about boxing, and it was common sense that drew me to the distinction between being knocked down in the first and fatigued and dazed and in danger of injury in the latter rounds. Tidyman of course seems to know his stuff and made that point better. The trouble with Ban is he easily gets carried away and doesn't know to admit he is out of depth and doesn't know a clue what he is talking about.

When you've quit climbing up Tidyman's arse hole let me know.

Froch was knocked down in the first round, his legs went and he couldn't stand, Groves was still on his feet and defending himself when the fight was stopped, I know you have to consider fatigue but to stop a fight without a boxer ever going down in a fight is strange. There isn't a boxer or boxing pundit alive that disagreed it wasn't a terrible call. I have boxed myself actually, not at any level but I sparred during my teenage years so just because you and a couple of your forum buddies always think you are right and suck each other off about it, doesn't mean you are. Groves had taken a couple of shots, nothing more, nothing less and to stop it then was a disgrace.

There's two arguments we've disagreed on recently and the professionals, either the politicians or boxing pundits have been on my side.

So take that video and shove it up your arse.

Oh dear, I was hardly arse licking I made the point before him and what he said backed it up and expanded on it.

Oh the politicians agree with you, oh well then I think you have won there. And pundits interested in hyping up interest with controversy.

A lot of homoerotic references there Ban, I thought you were secure in your sexuality, seems not though, in fact you seem a very angry young man. Maybe you could shack up with Helmet Cole, he might bring out the best in you. ;)

You were spot on when you said you didn't know much about boxing.

Politicians of EVERY main party are worried just like me, maybe you should be but your heads probably too far up your arse. I do like the young references like that is some sort of put down, jealousy will get you nowhere pal. The worst thing to do when debating is accuse the other person of being angry, it just points to being a loser, by the way.

I'm done with you anyway, you're like a smelly fart that won't piss off.

 

[Rocket-footed kolarov]

When you've quit climbing up Tidyman's arse hole let me know.

Froch was knocked down in the first round, his legs went and he couldn't stand, Groves was still on his feet and defending himself when the fight was stopped, I know you have to consider fatigue but to stop a fight without a boxer ever going down in a fight is strange. There isn't a boxer or boxing pundit alive that disagreed it wasn't a terrible call. I have boxed myself actually, not at any level but I sparred during my teenage years so just because you and a couple of your forum buddies always think you are right and suck each other off about it, doesn't mean you are. Groves had taken a couple of shots, nothing more, nothing less and to stop it then was a disgrace.

There's two arguments we've disagreed on recently and the professionals, either the politicians or boxing pundits have been on my side.

So take that video and shove it up your arse.

Oh dear, I was hardly arse licking I made the point before him and what he said backed it up and expanded on it.

Oh the politicians agree with you, oh well then I think you have won there. And pundits interested in hyping up interest with controversy.

A lot of homoerotic references there Ban, I thought you were secure in your sexuality, seems not though, in fact you seem a very angry young man. Maybe you could shack up with Helmet Cole, he might bring out the best in you. ;)

You were spot on when you said you didn't know much about boxing.

Politicians of EVERY main party are worried just like me, maybe you should be but your heads probably too far up your arse. I do like the young references like that is some sort of put down, jealousy will get you nowhere pal. The worst thing to do when debating is accuse the other person of being angry, it just points to being a loser, by the way.

I'm done with you anyway, you're like a smelly fart that won't piss off.

It does n't matter if they all agree, they all have to show concern or get accused of complacency. And even if they are all genuinely concerned there is fuck all that they can do about it because any immigrants will be EU member states nationals. Another point Governments like to make the claim of "benefit tourism" but have they actually given the commission the evidenced they asked for yet?

Oh well, I'll be the loser then but better that than confuse a reference to Joey Essex as one to myself ;)

 

[Anonymous]

Oh dear, I was hardly arse licking I made the point before him and what he said backed it up and expanded on it.

Oh the politicians agree with you, oh well then I think you have won there. And pundits interested in hyping up interest with controversy.

A lot of homoerotic references there Ban, I thought you were secure in your sexuality, seems not though, in fact you seem a very angry young man. Maybe you could shack up with Helmet Cole, he might bring out the best in you. ;)

You were spot on when you said you didn't know much about boxing.

Politicians of EVERY main party are worried just like me, maybe you should be but your heads probably too far up your arse. I do like the young references like that is some sort of put down, jealousy will get you nowhere pal. The worst thing to do when debating is accuse the other person of being angry, it just points to being a loser, by the way.

I'm done with you anyway, you're like a smelly fart that won't piss off.

It does n't matter if they all agree, they all have to show concern or get accused of complacency. And even if they are all genuinely concerned there is fuck all that they can do about it because any immigrants will be EU member states nationals. Another point Governments like to make the claim of "benefit tourism" but have they actually given the commission the evidenced they asked for yet?

Oh well, I'll be the loser then but better that than confuse a reference to Joey Essex as one to myself ;)

I was drunk then lol.

I never argued there was anything we could do whilst remaining in the E.U. I, for selfish reasons, would rather stay in the E.U. I think the country wouldn't benefit though,

 

[Rocket-footed kolarov]

You were spot on when you said you didn't know much about boxing.

Politicians of EVERY main party are worried just like me, maybe you should be but your heads probably too far up your arse. I do like the young references like that is some sort of put down, jealousy will get you nowhere pal. The worst thing to do when debating is accuse the other person of being angry, it just points to being a loser, by the way.

I'm done with you anyway, you're like a smelly fart that won't piss off.

It does n't matter if they all agree, they all have to show concern or get accused of complacency. And even if they are all genuinely concerned there is fuck all that they can do about it because any immigrants will be EU member states nationals. Another point Governments like to make the claim of "benefit tourism" but have they actually given the commission the evidenced they asked for yet?

Oh well, I'll be the loser then but better that than confuse a reference to Joey Essex as one to myself ;)

I was drunk then lol.

I never argued there was anything we could do whilst remaining in the E.U. I, for selfish reasons, would rather stay in the E.U. I think the country wouldn't benefit though,

But then what are you arguing for then a mass hysteria come January 1st when people are nursing hangovers ;) We are about as likely to leave the EU as the chances of joining the Warsaw Pact, big business loves it and people like easy visa free travel. The Superstate issue is dormant for now, but in the future it will awake and then you will have a debate.

 

[Anonymous]

It does n't matter if they all agree, they all have to show concern or get accused of complacency. And even if they are all genuinely concerned there is fuck all that they can do about it because any immigrants will be EU member states nationals. Another point Governments like to make the claim of "benefit tourism" but have they actually given the commission the evidenced they asked for yet?

Oh well, I'll be the loser then but better that than confuse a reference to Joey Essex as one to myself ;)

I was drunk then lol.

I never argued there was anything we could do whilst remaining in the E.U. I, for selfish reasons, would rather stay in the E.U. I think the country wouldn't benefit though,

But then what are you arguing for then a mass hysteria come January 1st when people are nursing hangovers ;) We are about as likely to leave the EU as the chances of joining the Warsaw Pact, big business loves it and people like easy visa free travel. The Superstate issue is dormant for now, but in the future it will awake and then you will have a debate.

We're not going to be fucked on Jan 1st, well I probably still will be. Opening our borders completely to Europe when we still struggle to support people already here will make things worse and continue to get worse.

Well this is a boxing thread so lets forget politics for now.

 

[leighton]

Sorry mate, but that's bollocks.

You sound like a Froch fan with the tinted glasses on.

Groves was the aggressor for most of the fight, he beat Froch to almost every punch. He made Froch looked like a piss head on a Saturday for most of the fight.

Not to mention he put him on his arse.

I'll give you that Froch looked to be recovering. I think Groves was beginning to feel the pace, and he was definitely hurt at the time of the stoppage, but it was entirely premature.

The idea that Groves was only a point ahead at the time of the stoppage is complete and utter nonsense. Besides the dodgy judges, I doubt you'd find any impartial boxing fans that would agree with that scoring.

Conor its not about Adam Booth its about everything. Changing a new coach on the eve of the biggest fight is the biggest no no in any fighters plans. It would normally take 2 to 3 fights to get used to the new trainer and his ideas. It was a schoolboy mistake. Even if you dont rate Booth as a trainer or whatever he gets his best out of his fighters. Andy Lee himself has come out and said it has taken him 2 fights to fully change from Steward to Booth and new ideas and most of the fighters would argee on this. So the time will tell. Hearn claims Froch v Groves 2 could be made depending on Carl and he thinks Groves deserves another shot.

I don't think they changed the gameplan at all..they used what Booth had already planned out.
if anyone thinks this fight was over then go and take a look at the mma fight between Kongo and Barry for proof that a fighter that looks dead on his feet is dangerous. Besides, groves was still defending himself and swinging back.

Maybe but I still think changing trainers in the lead up to a big fight never works out well. Booth knows Groves inside out and knows how to get him going and how to get him in the zone and relaxed in the major rounds. I have nothing against Fitzpatrick has been in top gyms knows his stuff but when it comes to the big night and trying to get the best out of Groves he wont know for a while what to get and if he can inspire Groves on to better things.

 

[conormcfc]

I had Groves leading by 2 rounds at the stopage at least. The stopage was a joke. How the ref stopped that I dont know. If it was Froch I dont think it would of been stopped as of his warrior fighting persona he got from media. Theres Groves fighting first World title fight and gets stopped like that not on at all. I want to see a rematch I done Groves to win on points and decision so I feel a bit robbed by the ref. A rematch defo could happen makes money sense for Groves and Froch and Hearn but I dont know if Froch will take it as after that fight I dont think he has many fights left in him. Golovkin if he moves up or a rematch with Ward could well be Carls last fight. Think Groves will win a World title fight. Shame he left Booth as he would seen it all before and had Groves go out differently in the later rounds.

Groves could've taken a knee to give himself a break which would've made the round a 10-8 and put Froch ahead on the cards anyway. Froch was coming on strong at that point and starting to take control, he would've either sparked Groves out (which likely would've happened at the time of the stoppage) or he would've won by 2-3 points on the cards with a late rally.

You put far too much stock into Adam Booth.

Sorry mate, but that's bollocks.

You sound like a Froch fan with the tinted glasses on.

Groves was the aggressor for most of the fight, he beat Froch to almost every punch. He made Froch looked like a piss head on a Saturday for most of the fight.

Not to mention he put him on his arse.

I'll give you that Froch looked to be recovering. I think Groves was beginning to feel the pace, and he was definitely hurt at the time of the stoppage, but it was entirely premature.

The idea that Groves was only a point ahead at the time of the stoppage is complete and utter nonsense. Besides the dodgy judges, I doubt you'd find any impartial boxing fans that would agree with that scoring.

Which bit of the bolded is bollocks exactly? Two of the judges had Groves 1 point up at the time, a 2 point swing would've put Froch ahead. Froch was starting to grind Groves down in the previous 2 rounds and was definitely the one coming on strong.

The fight wasn't anywhere even close to the 1 sided fight that Jim Watt made it out to be, nowhere near. Froch was landing punches in bunches in the majority of exchanges, with Groves landing single clean shots here or there. It's was hardly Mayweather-Gatti. Go on a boxing forum or twitter, literally thousands of people will tell you the same. That was a fight in the balance at the time of the stoppage.

Yeah he put an off balance Froch down with a flash knockdown in round 1. Completely different circumstances to a tired fighter taking multiple flush punches in the championship rounds. As I've said, Froch was denied a clean KO win there.

 

[bluemc1]

Groves could've taken a knee to give himself a break which would've made the round a 10-8 and put Froch ahead on the cards anyway. Froch was coming on strong at that point and starting to take control, he would've either sparked Groves out (which likely would've happened at the time of the stoppage) or he would've won by 2-3 points on the cards with a late rally.

You put far too much stock into Adam Booth.

Sorry mate, but that's bollocks.

You sound like a Froch fan with the tinted glasses on.

Groves was the aggressor for most of the fight, he beat Froch to almost every punch. He made Froch looked like a piss head on a Saturday for most of the fight.

Not to mention he put him on his arse.

I'll give you that Froch looked to be recovering. I think Groves was beginning to feel the pace, and he was definitely hurt at the time of the stoppage, but it was entirely premature.

The idea that Groves was only a point ahead at the time of the stoppage is complete and utter nonsense. Besides the dodgy judges, I doubt you'd find any impartial boxing fans that would agree with that scoring.

Which bit of the bolded is bollocks exactly? Two of the judges had Groves 1 point up at the time, a 2 point swing would've put Froch ahead. Froch was starting to grind Groves down in the previous 2 rounds and was definitely the one coming on strong.

The fight wasn't anywhere even close to the 1 sided fight that Jim Watt made it out to be, nowhere near. Froch was landing punches in bunches in the majority of exchanges, with Groves landing single clean shots here or there. It's was hardly Mayweather-Gatti. Go on a boxing forum or twitter, literally thousands of people will tell you the same. That was a fight in the balance at the time of the stoppage.

Yeah he put an off balance Froch down with a flash knockdown in round 1. Completely different circumstances to a tired fighter taking multiple flush punches in the championship rounds. As I've said, Froch was denied a clean KO win there.

i agree with most of that, its my opinion it was early stoppage but Froch would have got him soon enough, that was no "flash knockdown" though mate