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On another night Haaland puts us 0-1 up with his first chance that hit the post and nothing else that happens after that occurs and the game ends up a boring 0-1 win and nobody mentions Kalvin Phillips maybe being an answer or Pep needing sacking. Yet we’d not have ended up with one of the great games of football this decade.

It was just one of those once-every-five-years mad games that was all about great attacking moves and cracking goals. It doesn’t need overanalysing, just watch the full game back and enjoy it.
Watched it. Every one of their four goals had similar aspects. Cut-backs/corners with deep runners in literally acres of space without a City player within yards. We defended in a line quite deep and invited them on to the ball. Unfortunately for us each of their finishes were wonderful but that doesn’t change the fact that our midfield was either too deep or not engaged. We have to find a way to defend the space immediately in front of the penalty box.
 
Pep said something interesting in his post match interview and it was that games like Leeds and last night are a good learning experience for a young side, with some who are new to this league. He has a point.
For a team in transition, who don't forget lost world class experienced players like Gundogan, De Bruyne, Walker and Ederson and you might as well add Rodri to that list we're doing okay.

Everybody now says that Arsenal are the battle hardened finished article who have added vast talent and experience to their squad. That is absolutely true and therefore you have to wonder if they don't win the league this year when will they? There is also a but coming and here it is. In spite of all this and our inconsistencies due to being a team in transition, they can't shake us off, not fully. Given what's happened to them in the past this will start playing on their minds. If we can stay within five points or less from them coming into January, when Rodri might come back fit and we could possibly strengthen, their arses will start to go.
 
It shows how low our standards have fallen, people on here are praying for Calvin Phillips to start against Sunderland, and for Grealish to come back.
Attempting to make some offhanded comment on the state of our standards and then lumping Kalvin and Grealish simultaneously into said comment is more than a tad daft.
 
Once Gonzales and Doku went off everything after that for me is irrelevant! Pep teams mainly work with a 6 once he went off we were all over the place it was like the other players were clueless in stopping the midfield of Fulham! Plus 2/3 of Fulham’s goals were great!
 
Attempting to make some offhanded comment on the state of our standards and then lumping Kalvin and Grealish simultaneously into said comment is more than a tad daft.
I agree, the fact that Phillips can’t make the side suggests he will see out his contract without playing. Grealish had a purple patch when we got the quadruple, but for me he never impressed, he seemed to piss about on the left wing whilst the opposition organised the defence. Doku is much more tricky to defend against.
 
Watched it. Every one of their four goals had similar aspects. Cut-backs/corners with deep runners in literally acres of space without a City player within yards. We defended in a line quite deep and invited them on to the ball. Unfortunately for us each of their finishes were wonderful but that doesn’t change the fact that our midfield was either too deep or not engaged. We have to find a way to defend the space immediately in front of the penalty box.

Nico G needs Kovacic alongside him. Bernardo is running on fumes, and Reijnders simply isn’t good enough to be a starter at this level.

Sort out the full back positions (for God's sake) and get O'Reilly into a midfield attacking role.

Sign Anderson and Semenyo, and get Rodri back. Job done.

Donnarumma

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Khusanov
Gvardiol
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Kovacic/Anderson
Gonzalez/Rodri
O'Reilly

Foden
Haaland
Doku/Semenyo
 
Grealish would have been the option last night instead of Savio.
What does he bring. He holds the ball, retains posessions,draws fouls and creates space as they double or treble up on him. Everything that Savio does not do.
Rodri or even Kova on that pitch last night and we simply do not get involved in that situation.
Anyway. Just glad we got over the line. Media wankfest has been hilarious and the plucky Fulham showing why city wont win the league agenda is quite amusing.
 
I agree, the fact that Phillips can’t make the side suggests he will see out his contract without playing. Grealish had a purple patch when we got the quadruple, but for me he never impressed, he seemed to piss about on the left wing whilst the opposition organised the defence. Doku is much more tricky to defend against.
I think Jack never was able to rise to the expectation of his price tag at a major club. He's a grittier- scrappy player and I think he is ideally suited right where he is- mid table low expectation club. As much as I'd love to see Jack in City blue chucking in scrappy goals, getting off hip shot crosses to Erl, getting into physical mix ups with opposing players and winding everyone else up --- I'm under no illusion if he did come back to City that he'd likely not hit the ground running to the speed he's currently at and fade to the bench again.
 
I agree, the fact that Phillips can’t make the side suggests he will see out his contract without playing. Grealish had a purple patch when we got the quadruple, but for me he never impressed, he seemed to piss about on the left wing whilst the opposition organised the defence. Doku is much more tricky to defend against.
I agree completely with your wider point, but in a thread that's specifically related to last night's game, I would suggest that when 5-2 suddenly became 5-3 and 5-4, we probably needed Grealish's ability to repeatedly slow the game down, win a free kick, and then waste 20+ seconds complaining to the ref.

It might be his only true asset, but in that precise situation he's World Class.
 
Fair comment, but I'm not wrong about the referee's attitude to it though, which is the bigger point I was making. When did you last see a referee at Anfield making an absolute show out of penalising Liverpool for every single second of 'time-wasting', the way that Omega miming fascist did last night?
thats why I said I generally agreed with you
 
Now not to be accused of being a happy clapper but lets have some perspective here, two dreadful performances BUT two wins any other team would be praised for finding ways to win when not playing great but for us the world is falling in.

To listen to the press we could be relegation candidates not two points behind the greatest tarquin team of all time also according to the press.

We all have the right to complain and some things absolutely need addressing but a bit of balance sometimes doesnt go amiss.

Fucking happy clapper. That makes two of us :)

Btw, are you allowed back in the 115 charges thread, yet? I am on the "to be ignored" naughty step. It's like kindergarten in here sometimes.
 
Three points and five goals, fucking fantastic!

But wtf is wrong with us, letting them almost snatch a point from 5-1 down? Concentration? Fitness?
Luck. They were lucky with the 2 shots. Half the time those balls hit the rafters and are a mile off.

I've watched a ton of Chukweze for Nigeria, he is not remotely close when it comes to accurate shots. Those shots were Foden levels. If he were that good hed be Nigeria's best player by a mile.

He is a phenomenal dribbler who dribbles into cul de sacs often and makes lots of bad decisions. Against us, he was straight up making all the right decisions

Unless he has leveled up in the last month you can chalk it up to just another" Against City Purple patch"


We survived the onslaught. Lets hope we get better out of possession generally going forward.
 
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What an incredibly weird match. We were brilliant at times and woeful for most of the second half.

Although Nico didn’t have his best game, his substitution showed how important he has become. That said all our substitutions were a little strange. Bernardo was out on his feet been played on.
Savinho came on and mixed one sublime cross with brainless decision making and the corner that led to their was incredible stupidity on his part.
Nunes does some great work but he gave away the ball badly for the first and was beaten time and again late on.
Gvardiol similarly mixes excellence with awful defending, his careless clearance gave them the corner which led to their first.
Haaland had a goal, 2 assists and hit the post twice, he was fired up of not quite ruthless
Foden was exceptional save for a couple of really poor decisions when we had counterattacks on.
Delighted to see Reijnders score but he does nothing out of possession.
Doku had a brilliant cross to Erling but after that couldn’t stop giving the ball away.

There’s a carelessness about this team at the moment, it’s not always apparent when we’re winning but we give away cheap possession from simple misplaced passes way too often at the moment. Equally we can be so wasteful on transitions and counters. In recent matches we won the ball high repeatedly but wasted great opportunities and tonight we had at least 3 gilt edged counterattacks but led to nothing through awful decisions.

We need another midfielder and really need a right back.
I think part of the problem is we have had our two main midfielders in Rodri and Kovacic out for a long time. Savinho will never be a defender and it's not really Nunez' game and he struggled when they put a Brazilian international on, but we can only play what we have got.

I don't have a problem with our attacking football, it's normal. You would have the top sides winning 9 or 10 nil every week if they put every chance away. We do give the ball away lot more than in the past but we're a team in transition that still needs to get used to how each other play, which I think is why he's sticking with more or less the same XI and why we struggle when we have to make changes late on to try to keep the key players fresh. WE see a lot of people blaming the substitutions but you can't know how the game is going to pan out until it happens, and any manager would be confident of having on to a 4 goal lead for the win with half an hour to go, which to be fair we did.

I reckon there's a lot more to come from this team, they will learn, they will get better, there will be a few tweaks along the way, some will help, some won't but We're not done yet and we're still grinding out the results one way or another and I think they deserve a bit of slack. It's more difficult than most realise, you only have to look at what's happened to Liverpool who apparently were "light years" ahead of us just a few weeks ago.
 
Now not to be accused of being a happy clapper but lets have some perspective here, two dreadful performances BUT two wins any other team would be praised for finding ways to win when not playing great but for us the world is falling in.

To listen to the press we could be relegation candidates not two points behind the greatest tarquin team of all time also according to the press.

We all have the right to complain and some things absolutely need addressing but a bit of balance sometimes doesnt go amiss.
To be fair, to listen to a lot on here we could be relegation candidate sometimes. Hard to believe that despite how dire we apparently are we've clawed our way back to second in the league.
 
Once Gonzales and Doku went off everything after that for me is irrelevant! Pep teams mainly work with a 6 once he went off we were all over the place it was like the other players were clueless in stopping the midfield of Fulham! Plus 2/3 of Fulham’s goals were great!

Their subs made a difference too. My Fulham fan mate was bemoaning the fact that they had dropped both wingers to the bench in a negative move that didn’t pay off. Thinks it was good for us they weren’t on first half too!
 
We’re not reacting to teams changing their tactics like we used to. Guess it’s inevitable with a younger team.

Hence GD had to get treatment for Pep to tell the players what to do.

Hopefully we regain the ability to adapt quickly.

It's so easy to read and see City's weakness is in both fullback roles.
What we saw against Leeds and Fulham is the opponent manager's gamble, Pep's City are sitting back thinking they are on easy street and good enough to defend a lead and they are far from good enough.

Last night's game was a shambles and 5.1 up Pep does nothing ? kill the game by using the bench bring on Ake Stones Khusanov Lewis, Play Khusanov rightback and Ake leftback Stone and Lewis in the middle Kill the game
 

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