Full employment

[Challenger1978]

You cannot have full employment in a capitalist society. The last time we were anywhere near it, in the 1950s, the employers all cried like little girls because Jack could tell the foreman to do one on Friday and walk into a new job on Monday. Wages went up and up, and helped create inflation. Hence the political decision to have lots of immigration to cut labour costs, and later the deliberate policy of Thatcher to create unemployment to weaken the unions and reduce pressure for higher wages.

This is why it is deeply immoral to blame the unemployed for a situation which they have not created and which is actually desirable from the point of view of employers and the broader economy.

There will never be full employment. Never. If we ever got near to it, they would simply bring new workers in from abroad. The exceptions would be a) another world war, with many in the Services and the rest subject to direction of labour, and b) a socialist state. One is as unlikely to come about as the other.

That's a cracking post fella.

 

[waterloo blue]

I know 100% employment is impossible but with self checkout at the supermarket,self check in at the airport,driverless trains,barcode readers at parcel facilities and the roll out of drone delivery services;
there will not be work for everyone who requires it.The overpopulation angle is not one I'd considered,but the future employment prospects of today's kids are a lot more precarious than mine,and the response from goverment's would suggest to me that they hope by cutting benefit entitlements to the bone,it will be able to be contained.

 

[yerwot?]

unemployment figures, they are not worth a second glance. Since the madness of the thatcher years, the gathering and enumeration of the number out of work has been at the mercy of politicians. So many sections of society are excluded by glib 'calculations' to suit propaganda that the figures are about as reliable as party manifestos , where cast-iron promises effortlessly dissolve into 'aspirations', once elected. A heavily biased media, which once would have challenged the system, is now a tool of the system.
With the advent of zero hour contracts this govnt will be able to claim zero unemployment, only ''shirkers who choose not to work'' will be out of the calculations.
The most cringeworthy phrase in any political debate is '' government figures'', you may just as well substitute ''bullshit'' , as in ''bullshit reveals more people are in work than ever'', or ''bullshit proves there is no north/south divide.''
Full employment is not, and never has been an aspiration of the tory party as history proves.

 

[pominoz]

You cannot have full employment in a capitalist society. The last time we were anywhere near it, in the 1950s, the employers all cried like little girls because Jack could tell the foreman to do one on Friday and walk into a new job on Monday. Wages went up and up, and helped create inflation. Hence the political decision to have lots of immigration to cut labour costs, and later the deliberate policy of Thatcher to create unemployment to weaken the unions and reduce pressure for higher wages.

This is why it is deeply immoral to blame the unemployed for a situation which they have not created and which is actually desirable from the point of view of employers and the broader economy.

There will never be full employment. Never. If we ever got near to it, they would simply bring new workers in from abroad. The exceptions would be a) another world war, with many in the Services and the rest subject to direction of labour, and b) a socialist state. One is as unlikely to come about as the other.

That's a cracking post fella.

It is not often i agree you Challenger, but it was a cracking post and hits the nail on the head.

We have a **** called Tony Abbot in charge at the moment, he makes George Bubya seem sane.

 

[SWP's back]

Can anyone identify somewhere with 100% full employment? I'd have thought that impossible to both state and sustain.

Qatar.

 

[mcmanus]

Can anyone identify somewhere with 100% full employment? I'd have thought that impossible to both state and sustain.

Qatar.

Is it right you work there SWP?

I read somewhere that they are relaxing the rules somewhat on foreign workers. Must be a weight off your back. Good luck.