General Election - December 12th, 2019

[Ifwecouldjust.......]

Where in Labour's manifesto does it say how they will do this?

All we know is they will nationalise the trains, they haven't said how they will run them.

My understanding from posters on here is the government will just take ownership of the franchises and if they are run so badly then what has changed?

By not paying the fat cat wages and share dividends the money can be reinvested into either lower prices or improved services.

 

[Chippy_boy]

At least they’ll make the trains run on time.

What, like they used to before privatisation? Sure.

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

What, like they used to before privatisation? Sure.

Yeah, I wasn’t being entirely serious.

 

[Ifwecouldjust.......]

What, like they used to before privatisation? Sure.

British Rail was intentionally run down and underinvested to pave the way for privatisation .... pretty much the same way that the Tories are doing now with the NHS

 

[George Hannah]

That's a crisis of contemplation on your part George. If Corbyn did all the things he outlined in his manifesto we'd still have less in public ownership than many European countries. Corbyn is a rather timid socialist compared to his continental counterparts. Venezuela my arse. Tell me George, will you be voting for Johnson's miserable right wing crew? Because I sense you're losing the faith.

Not a chance, it's a Swinson bozo that'll be getting my tick if they keep their revoke promise. Corbyn is indeed a hollow man - that's the problem. His manifesto is a tissue of lies concealing the brute fact that if the union controlled hard left seize the levers of power they'll certainly launch a 5 year Marxist attack on global capitalism. Our country will be used as a disposable weapon in their antique idelogical war and will be irreparably damaged as a result. If you want to live in a culturally and economically eviscerated totalitarian state vote for Jezzer - no need to move to Venezuela.

 

[BlueHammer85]

How anyone can be duped into voting for a Corbyn led Labour Party is beyond belief. A guaranteed catastrophe for the economic and cultural future of this country if these Marxist throwbacks under the control of McCluskey and the other communist union leaders deceive their way into power. Another dose of the Tories with Johnson's miserable right wing crew is a high price to pay but the alternative is beyond contemplation.

ridiculous hyperbole

 

[The perfect fumble]

Not a chance, it's a Swinson bozo that'll be getting my tick if they keep their revoke promise. Corbyn is indeed a hollow man - that's the problem. His manifesto is a tissue of lies concealing the brute fact that if the union controlled hard left seize the levers of power they launch a 5 year Marxist attack on global capitalism. Our country will be used as a disposable weapon in their antique idelogical war and will be irreparably damaged as a result. If you want to live in a culturally and economically eviscerated totalitarian state vote for Jezzer - no need to move to Venezuela.

George, stop being silly, I can read the Mail online elsewhere.

 

[George Hannah]

George, stop being silly, I can read the Mail online elsewhere.

Hopefully we'll never find out how 'silly' the consequences of a Corbyn government will be. In the highly unlikely event we do wake up on Friday 13th with McDonnell and McCluskey in control of our country a whole lexicon of disaster adjectives won't adequately describe the nightmare that will follow.

 

[The perfect fumble]

Hopefully we'll never find out how 'silly' the consequences of a Corbyn government will be. In the highly unlikely event we do wake up on Friday 13th with McDonnell and McCluskey in control of our country a whole lexicon of disaster adjectives won't adequately describe the nightmare that will follow.

Disaster adjectives masquerading as nouns no doubt.

 

[inbetween]

Currently rail services are run very poorly costing money. They constantly cut corners and are non-efficient. They routinely pay out for train delays and cancellations.

This includes Northern Rail hence they, surprisingly, have any profits at all!

What would the point be driving up costs with no better service attached?

Oh yeah, some profit!

You have just hit the nail on the head. I've been on national operators all over Europe and the world, some are terrible and some aren't. It hasn't mattered who owned it.

I would support a national operator but I have zero confidence that Labour can deliver it especially given they will behest of union pit bosses and vast increases in working regulation.

 

[joe123]

Hopefully we'll never find out how 'silly' the consequences of a Corbyn government will be. In the highly unlikely event we do wake up on Friday 13th with McDonnell and McCluskey in control of our country a whole lexicon of disaster adjectives won't adequately describe the nightmare that will follow.

I think the fearmongering about a Labour government is a bit excessive. They'd have to get everything through parliament, not least of all the moderates in their own party. What I'm personally hoping for is a Labour led minority which would put the brakes on the more extreme stuff, but actually still see some progressive policies in comparison with the last ten years of shite we've put up with.

 

[George Hannah]

Disaster adjectives masquerading as nouns no doubt.

Synonyms for disastrous

• adverse
• calamitous
• cataclysmic
• catastrophic
• destructive
• dire
• dreadful
• fatal
• fateful
• harmful
• ill-fated
• ruinous
• terrible
• tragic
• unfavorable
• unfortunate
• cataclysmal
• hapless
• ill-starred
• luckless
• unlucky
• unpropitious
• untoward

don't even begin to capture the full horror of this country's reward if Labour gets elected.

 

[The Light Was Yellow Sir]

The very aptly named Mick Cash - general secretary of the Rail, Maritime and Transport union - is all for it, rather unsurprisingly.

Another Labour luvvie with absolutely no fucking financial clue whatsoever. We're being told by the incompetent twats in red that nationalising the railways would cost nothing; it is an investment and the government would receive the profits.

Well show me a train company which will not be making a FUCKING ENORMOUS loss, if fares are cut by 33%. Yet another BILL for the tax payer to pick up, but of course 95% of people won't be worse off. Downright bloody LIARS.

The stupidity of the Corbyn team is matched only by those who believe any of it.

What do you care? You’re leaving on December 13th if the Tories don’t win, aren’t you?

 

[stonerblue]

The very aptly named Mick Cash - general secretary of the Rail, Maritime and Transport union - is all for it, rather unsurprisingly.

Another Labour luvvie with absolutely no fucking financial clue whatsoever. We're being told by the incompetent twats in red that nationalising the railways would cost nothing; it is an investment and the government would receive the profits.

Well show me a train company which will not be making a FUCKING ENORMOUS loss, if fares are cut by 33%. Yet another BILL for the tax payer to pick up, but of course 95% of people won't be worse off. Downright bloody LIARS.

The stupidity of the Corbyn team is matched only by those who believe any of it.

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2019/apr/14/virgin-west-coast-train-franchise-branson-dividends

 

[Chippy_boy]

What do you care? You’re leaving on December 13th if the Tories don’t win, aren’t you?

I'd rather not have to.

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2019/apr/14/virgin-west-coast-train-franchise-branson-dividends

What on earth was the point of posting that? That a random writer from a lefty rag like the Guardian thinks we should look at how franchises are awarded? So what???

This does not change the FACT that were the government to cut rail fares by 33%, then the entire industry would run at an enormous loss. Un-nationalised, the franchisee would just go bust, pure and simple. Nationalised then the government would have to pump BILLIONS of more funding in, BILLIONS.

Yet another UN-COSTED spending commitment for which there is no explanation how it would be funded.

Only thick people will not spot the flaw in this latest Labour random bribe.

 

[hilts]

I'd rather not have to.



What on earth was the point of posting that? That a random writer from a lefty rag like the Guardian thinks we should look at how franchises are awarded? So what???

This does not change the FACT that were the government to cut rail fares by 33%, then the entire industry would run at an enormous loss. Un-nationalised, the franchisee would just go bust, pure and simple. Nationalised then the government would have to pump BILLIONS of more funding in, BILLIONS.

Yet another UN-COSTED spending commitment for which there is no explanation how it would be funded.

Only thick people will not spot the flaw in this latest Labour random bribe.

In fairness it's not just the thick it's the dishonest as well.

 

[BobKowalski]

...

Yet another UN-COSTED spending commitment for which there is no explanation how it would be funded.

Only thick people will not spot the flaw in this latest Labour random bribe.

In fairness there is a lot of that going around.

Tory Manifesto 2019.

‘Brexit will be great. No we won’t tell you how much our idea of Brexit will cost but here is twenty sovs for fixing all the potholes in the country. Vote for me.

The End’

 

[kevin horlocks wand]

I'd rather not have to.



What on earth was the point of posting that? That a random writer from a lefty rag like the Guardian thinks we should look at how franchises are awarded? So what???

This does not change the FACT that were the government to cut rail fares by 33%, then the entire industry would run at an enormous loss. Un-nationalised, the franchisee would just go bust, pure and simple. Nationalised then the government would have to pump BILLIONS of more funding in, BILLIONS.

Yet another UN-COSTED spending commitment for which there is no explanation how it would be funded.

Only thick people will not spot the flaw in this latest Labour random bribe.

next weekend it is

200 fags and a crate of Stella . #votelabour

 

[BobKowalski]

IFS summary via Sky. Pressure on local Govt finances is huge. Even under Labour it’s going to be difficult. Under Tories Christ knows.

‘Local govt finding isn’t exactly one of the main issues in #ge2019. But interesting @TheIFS briefing suggests given the Conservatives have allocated no extra money for local govt at all in its manifesto, council tax is more likely to rise if they win. Background: cuts to local govt (when population growth is taken into account) is 24% per person.In most deprived areas that rises to 31% (spending was higher in those areas to begin with and remains 1.3x as high compared to least deprived, though that fig was 1.6 in 2010).

The Conservatives have proposed no extra money for local govt in their manifesto save for pot holes. Therefore IFS says council tax would have to increase by 4% a year every year and it still wouldn’t be enough to keep up with rising demand for local govt services. Labour meanwhile propose £13bn of new money for existing local govt services, which would meet demand needs even with no council tax increases. Although even with this huge injection of cash, we’d still be below 2010 funding levels.

Lab also proposed £7bn for local authorities to pay for social care for certain over 75s. IFS casts doubts as to whether that will be enough (esp given their living wage proposals) and of course, whether the tax increases elsewhere will be enough to pay for everything. So this election in a nutshell. No detail at all from one party and no sense of what they’d do about the problem (or acknowledgement it even exists). Lots of details/ideas from the other but sizeable doubts over credibility of the medicine, given scale of commitments elsewhere.’

 

[blueparrot]

I think the fearmongering about a Labour government is a bit excessive. They'd have to get everything through parliament, not least of all the moderates in their own party. What I'm personally hoping for is a Labour led minority which would put the brakes on the more extreme stuff, but actually still see some progressive policies in comparison with the last ten years of shite we've put up with.

Pretty sure those fearmongering know full well there won't be a Corbyn majority and his policies would be tempered by whoever partner them in government, it may even mean Corbyn standing down. Think the fearmongering rhetoric is raised to help justify voting for Johnson when he's hardly better than Corbyn.