General Election June 8th

[SWP's back]

The Tories have increased the debt because the deficit they inherited was so high and the conditions were terrible for trying to decrease it (you'd normally run up a deficit in a recession and then a surplus through good years).

Labour essentially put a brick on the accelerator and now moan at the Tories that the car is going faster and faster and bleat austerity when they try to apply the brake.

And yes, I'd love to see more public investment, but not at the risk of the size of the resulting debt mountain we'll end up with (and have to pass on to the next generation). The debt's already enormous and had that 2006 - 09 trend continued in the graph above, the debt now would be absolutely colossal.

I think that there's a real lack of personal responsibility at the moment and it's only growing. Everyone has to have the latest thing with no regard to the cost. For many, that's a good alternative to private debt - don't buy shit you can't afford and don't need. @Mëtal Bikër has spoken about it before; there's no concept of luxury any more, just people thinking that because someone they know has the latest phone, car long haul holiday, that they deserve or need the same.

Excellent graph. Maybe a simpleton can even understand it.

 

[The perfect fumble]

I think she came across quite well, even the old bloke accepted some of the realities of the situation.

The woman with learning disabilities even asked her for them to help them once she let her explain.

I'm simply not seeing this "May struggles when confronted" rhetoric that keeps being spouted.

Give it a try.

 

[The perfect fumble]

it's a waste of time asking a Prime Minister your own personal situation - she can only take there word for it at the time.

One would hope that a Prime Minister might at least acknowledge she belongs to the same species.

 

[blue cigar]

Ah. So he's not always been sympathetic to the cause of a united Ireland?

Oh dear.....one cannot reason with an unreasonable person.

 

[SWP's back]

Oh dear.....one cannot reason with an unreasonable person.

You didn't answer the question.

Instead you simple did your usual deflection.

 

[BlueHammer85]

One would hope that a Prime Minister might at least acknowledge she belongs to the same species.

I'll probably vote Labour, but the personal abuse and crap being thrown at May is just pathetic, depressing how many grown adults share around childish memes, feel for our future generation that the average voter is full of hate and bile all the time in this social media age.

 

[stonerblue]

I would imagine so yes.

i'll wait for 'inbetween' to confirm before going on a rant

 

[SWP's back]

i'll wait for 'inbetween' to confirm before going on a rant

I can't think of anything else he could have meant so rant away.

 

[jazzy]

I will be voting tory as the current labour party leadership couldn't organise a pissup in a brewery .

 

[stonerblue]

The Tories have taken the national debt from £700bn (after the crash) to £1500bn.

And under the Blair Government, Labour eradicated the budget deficit and remains the only Government to have ever do so in the past quarter of a century. The Brown Government ran a deficit at 1% of GDP, compared with the Tories who are running it between 2-6% of GDP and dropping. This idea of "Labour = bad for economy" is peddled by simpletons who can't read line graphs.

And finally, for the very last time, an economy isn't a shopping bill with a spend/gain. You spend money specifically to INCREASE future tax income, public spending is investment. Austerity is an economic failure

It's funny that when you ask Tories if we should invest in other countries, they say Yes because it will stimulate their economy and give us a strong trading partner in the future but if you ask them if we should invest in our country they say no and we should save money instead. Could it be because their cuts are ideological rather than economical?

Think of it this way. Things need to be paid for. Either public debt grows or private debt like credit cards and loans grows. You pick one.

Go on Damocles..