General Election June 8th

Who will you vote for at the General Election?

  • Conservatives

    Votes: 189 28.8%

  • Labour

    Votes: 366 55.8%

  • Liberal Democrats

    Votes: 37 5.6%

  • SNP

    Votes: 8 1.2%

  • UKIP

    Votes: 23 3.5%

  • Other

    Votes: 33 5.0%
  • Total voters
    656
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blueparrot said:
You may think that, but you don't know that because nobody does yet. The Spanish have said they wouldn't oppose it. Why couldn't Scotland survive , the EU has a few's of countries the size of Scotland with no oil that do fine, because they aren't constantly tying to punch above their weight. Ireland is one.
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Ireland is not too far away from being bankrupt mate and for your information the Spanish have said, in no uncertain terms they will not allow Scotland entry Into the EU as a stand alone country, the main reason for this is that they do not want the Catalans jumping on the same band wagon, which they invariably would.. Scotland does not generate anywhere near enough money to stand alone and keep the standard of living anywhere near what it is now... Sturgeon and the SNP are a one trick pony, I have never heard her campaign for anything else other than a another referendum...
As it stands Scotland does very well with the Barnett formula, without that the taxes sturgeon would have to raise would cripple the country, its that simple mate..
 
Blue Til Death said:
Ireland is not too far away from being bankrupt mate and for your information
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You best let them know

https://www.ft.com/content/78310ab0-244e-3c78-b0d7-72911d796db3



"The economy expanded by 2.5 per cent in the quarter, a slowdown from the third quarter’s 4 per cent growth rate but still more than twice as fast as the 1 per cent predicted by economists.Ireland’s economy has been among the best-performing in Europe since the end of the financial crisis, and the strong fourth quarter brought the country’s annual growth rate to 5.2 per cent, with growth across every sector of the economy.That’s something of a dip from 2015′s massive 26.3 per cent growth rate, but that year’s remarkable numbers were skewed by corporate inversions that inflated the country’s stock of capital assets.
 
Magicpole said:
And now there is one. A majority of seats where still non Tory but that figure shows how far we have moved from believing the Tories weren't cunts. The last Tory MP is in the sights of all other voters to combine and defeat him.

Labour now finds itself in a similar position, having collaborated with the Tories and the msm in project fear.

They have gone from
41 MPs to one also. The majority of the SNP vote today is ex labour like myself. Not rabbid nationalists who hate the English. It's political.

We have seen the msm demonise corbyn and the Labour Party to an extent that people have been convinced labour are unelectable and many on here have been sucked into that propaganda.

I knew this would happen and said as much. We need to see them destroying Corbyn and Labour to show that there will only be one type of gov in town. A right wing Tory one, hell bent on Brexit and damn the cost.

The timing of this is to coincide with the work already carried out to marginalise Corbyn.

Our only hope is the people who clung to the belief labour would provide an opposition, realise they are too divided. Have forgot their true role and by trying to be Tory lite last election, are now floating about like a shite in a swimming pool.

Even with all these things coming to pass, it is still far from certain we will have enough to win. There are people here who would vote to remain even if we were guaranteed to be the richest country ever because of the religious connections with the Queen and the flag. Their minds are closed to political debate so the remain have at least 1.3m before they even have to make their case of woe and disaster.

Last time the maj of the 500,000 English people living here voted No. We can only hope that Brexit changes the view of at least half of them and the younger voters now eligible vote in the same way they did indy1 and then we have a chance.

A swing of 320,000 votes from last time and we win.

Easier said than done though.
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If you're an ex Labour voter and didn't support the independence vote from the off, why aren't you prepared to stick it out until the next election when there is another strong enough option to the tories? If Scotland went independent, you're looking at least another couple/few hundred years before talk of reuniting comes about again - in that time, joining a failing EU and the Euro could cripple you and undo so much of what you achieved as part of the UK.

You have so much devolution (inc. ability to set income tax and guarantee half remains in Scotland creating a financial imbalance with the rest of the country of what areas put in to the country as a whole and get back), yet you lot bleat on more and much louder about Tory politics than anyone else. They have significantly less impact on your day to day than regional government, compared with other regions - any domestic gripe you have should be with the SNP. International/defence matters such as Brexit and Trident aren't a reason to go independent (Brexit clearly wasn't when you had the indyref).
 
law74 said:
As he totally destroyed May & the Tories record over the last 7 years.
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I'm no Tory, but come on. He's totally out of his depth, goes way off point and never really does any damage with his questions

He generally says something about school cuts to which May replies about record investment. Now, it's clear that public services are struggling but him banging the same old drum is tedious. She bats away all his questions with ease

Can you really imagine him negotiating with the EU?
 
Xiphos said:
Worse than painful, i thought a piss sodden old tramp had wondered into the chamber, it's like watching said piss sodden old tramp trying to debate the economics of buying 2 litres of White Lightning cider at £1-50 or go upmarket and get Strongbow at £1-70 before the offy shopkeeper throws him out into the gutter
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He rambles, goes off track and doesn't really do any damage to anybody but himself and his own party

Is the best outcome a Tory win this time with a hope for a more centrist party coming forward in 5yrs time?
 
Churchlawtonblue said:
The reality is that Scotland is nothing more than a sideshow to most down south. You had your vote you decided to stay part of the uk. You get a very good deal and just because your leader jumps up and down like some demented spoilt child blaming everyone else for her problems doesnt mean the uk government who have to represent the whole of the uk has to respond every time. She gets far too much airtime compared to her share of the uk vote, a mere 1.4m people out of an electorate of 46m. She needs putting in her place with a scrapping of the barnett formula and making her and her nationalists party stand on their own two feet. Any fair minded person cannot reason against a fair share of the uk wealth . Unless of course you are Sturgeon and her cronies who want their cake and eat it.
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We don't want any of your cake mate. We want you to stick it up your arse.

We know the truth about us being scroungers. A few years of low oil prices does not a future make. We contributed more per head for 30 out of 32 years. We will be better off and if the uk didn't need us why in the name of fuck would they want to keep us.

When we go Indy the truth will emerge and we will see who needed who.
 
Blue Til Death said:
The democratic will of the people was demonstrated when you lost the referendum, do you think its democratic to keep having referenda until you get what you want?
Once the vote was lost you remained part of the UK, therefore you abide by the will of the democratically elected government, the SNP do not have a mandate to do anything aside form spout about another referendum.. The SNP will win the vast majority of the seats again, that's nailed on but I suspect the Tories will win a few more too, that means the status quo remains, ie Scotland is part of the UK, you wont get another referendum on Independence mate, even if you win 100% of the votes in Scotland...
You ask me to stop spouting the haggis taunting shite yet you spout your shite with regard to me reading the Daily Mail, inferring that I am a right wing bigot, which I am not, I just have a different opinion than you and resort to mud slinging in frustration because of your lack of a coherent argument, read your previous posts and how you speak to people who disagree with you...

All Sturgeon has to say is she wants the best for Scotland, May wants the best for the UK, of which Scotland is a part after voting against independence.. Scotland could not survive on its own and will not be allowed entry into the EU on its own, the Spanish and French will see to that and only 27 votes will make that happen..
To sum up, what exactly do you think Independence will bring Scotland, without money from the EU and UK? please do not use the oil revenue argument either, even the most optimistic economist would put that to bed..

You have no more rights to an independence vote than the English do, that's a fact... Just for the record, if the English were given a vote in another referendum, I can guarantee, you would get your independence with a landslide victory...! How Ironic eh...!
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Do you read stuff? The Spanish already stated they won't oppose us. Catch up ffs!
 
Blue Til Death said:
Ireland is not too far away from being bankrupt mate and for your information the Spanish have said, in no uncertain terms they will not allow Scotland entry Into the EU as a stand alone country, the main reason for this is that they do not want the Catalans jumping on the same band wagon, which they invariably would.. Scotland does not generate anywhere near enough money to stand alone and keep the standard of living anywhere near what it is now... Sturgeon and the SNP are a one trick pony, I have never heard her campaign for anything else other than a another referendum...
As it stands Scotland does very well with the Barnett formula, without that the taxes sturgeon would have to raise would cripple the country, its that simple mate..
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Talking shite I'm afraid.

http://elpais.com/elpais/2014/02/03/inenglish/1391425089_214995.html

Any more bullshit stories about people blocking us?
 
Magicpole said:
We don't want any of your cake mate. We want you to stick it up your arse.

We know the truth about us being scroungers. A few years of low oil prices does not a future make. We contributed more per head for 30 out of 32 years. We will be better off and if the uk didn't need us why in the name of fuck would they want to keep us.

When we go Indy the truth will emerge and we will see who needed who.
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Why do you come on a city website to bait English blokes ? Its because your uncle watched a City game on TV once?

I am not sure I can take another 7 weeks of you sidetracking a sensible debate amongst City fans about the Uk election at this important time. If you hate the English so much why don't you go onto the Celtic off topic thread and then you can really let rip about your side show Scottish issue.

You want independence for Scotland so much but prefer to debate with largely English City fans on a City fans forum. I find it odd.
 
Magicpole said:
We don't want any of your cake mate. We want you to stick it up your arse.

We know the truth about us being scroungers. A few years of low oil prices does not a future make. We contributed more per head for 30 out of 32 years. We will be better off and if the uk didn't need us why in the name of fuck would they want to keep us.

When we go Indy the truth will emerge and we will see who needed who.
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We can't handle the truth, now find another drum ffs.
 
kevin horlocks wand said:
Why do you come on a city website to bait English blokes ? Its because your uncle watched a City game on TV once?

I am not sure I can take another 7 weeks of you sidetracking a sensible debate amongst City fans about the Uk election at this important time. If you hate the English so much why don't you go onto the Celtic off topic thread and then you can really let rip about your side show Scottish issue.

You want independence for Scotland so much but prefer to debate with largely English City fans on a City fans forum. I find it odd.
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I'm not baiting anybody. I'm defending a position. If people make a comment about the situation up here then I respond to it.
 
Magicpole said:
I'm not baiting anybody. I'm defending a position. If people make a comment about the situation up here then I respond to it.
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Just to make a very important point which you seem to miss. The English did not and will not get a vote in whether Scotland can stand on its own two feet in independence. You need to save your arguments for the Scottish people who voted to stay in the UK (may be on Scottish forums). It does not make a single jot of difference to any English people on this forum as to your arguments (never mind why you think a Celtic fan needs to convince City fans). You need to convince the majority of people who voted to stay within the UK IN SCOTLAND itself as they will be the ones who will eventually decide (or rather did decide) on your fate. I, nor many other English people really could not give a shit.
 
I see George Osborne is quitting as an MP at the election. I'm sure all my fellow BM'ers will join me in wishing him well in his new career in the newspaper industry.
 
Losblue said:
He's probably got the right ideology.Just the wrong place at the wrong time.Because,I voted for Brexit,I feel I'm now being blackmailed to vote Tory.Think I would rather abstain.
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I'm in a similar position. I am a Brexit voter and feel that Labour and or Lib Dems would either try and get out of the referendum result or be completely unable to get a good deal
 
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