General Election June 8th

[urban genie]

Don't tell me! You, unique among commentators! See an unreconstructed Trot, a traitor with a big yellow streak down his back, who'd betray this country in a heartbeat and force us all to drive Trabants....

For The Many, Not The Few...

I like trabants

 

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The Labour party under Jeremy Corbyn....

Is there anything some of you wouldn't defend....?

How certain are you about that...?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leader_of_the_Labour_Party_(UK)

I defend the right of the Official Opposition to oppose the government of the day. It's how parliamentary democracy works you tit.

 

[Pie]

In light of Jeremey's comments today about May resigning, one has to raise Jeremy's continual opposition to any sort of shoot-to-kill policy.
I'm no fan of May but one has to ask Jeremy, what would you have wanted the police to do on Saturday Night? Watch and let the terrorists continue their stab fest? If you have to shoot Jeremey, people die.
Seriously, the man is a complete and utter chocolate fireguard and is totally unfit to lead the country in a time of crisis.

https://www.theguardian.com/politic...allow-shoot-to-kill-exceptional-circumstances

 

[urban genie]

In light of Jeremey's comments today about May resigning, one has to raise Jeremy's continual opposition to any sort of shoot-to-kill policy.
I'm no fan of May but one has to ask Jeremy, what would you have wanted the police to do on Saturday Night? Watch and let the terrorists continue their stab fest? If you have to shoot Jeremey, people die.
Seriously, the man is a complete and utter chocolate fireguard and is totally unfit to lead the country in a time of crisis.

Again he never said that, he said he does'nt like the idea that we need a policy, but as we do he would authorise it's use.

It is a sad day when a civilised society even has to consider the idea, but we are at that point and corbyn has never said it wouldn't be used, just that he wished it didn't need to be.

A big difference there to what the edited interview suggested.

 

[Blue Mooner]

https://www.thecanary.co/2017/06/05...-backed-corbyn-avoid-uk-economic-catastrophe/

Top economists back Labour's "Magic Money Tree" to be good for the economy and would avoid the Tory's "economic disaster."

More to support the fact the Torys are liars and myth makers.

Shock!! Labour supporter quotes Labour supporting website created just after Jeremy Corbyn's appointment as leader to reaffirm his political views

 

[KenTheLandlord]

On May 7, 2014 the Home Secretary Theresa May brought forward a bill to deprive those fighting with ISIS of their citizenship. The legislation would allow if

… the Secretary of State is satisfied that the deprivation is conducive to the public good because the person, while having that citizenship status, has conducted him or herself in a manner which is seriously prejudicial to the vital interests of the United Kingdom

… them to be deprived of their citizenship, lose their passport and become stateless. Essentially exiling those fighting for ISIS.

The roll-call above shows who voted to allow terrorist fighters to return to Britain

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Clearly May has a lot to make up for and fix but she is not a complete loon like Corbyn and company. There's not enough time in the day to catalogue Corbyn, McConnell and Abbott's - at best - naive and appeasing attitude towards terror and national defence in general.

Labour would win this election if it wasn't led by these dodgy fuckers
Make Labour Sane Again

And there it is, the truth laid bare.. a potential pm, home Secretary and chancellor who despise the values of this country.

This is exactly why we need Corbyn, that absolute pile of steaming shit, is illegal. Even may knew that.

The presence of British citizens in Syria fighting for Islamic State has complicated matters for the UK. Home Secretary Theresa May has said that the UK will not remove citizenship from IS fighters born in the UK as "it is illegal for any country to make its citizens stateless". But the UK government does have the power to remove citizenship from people either naturalised in the UK or those with dual citizenship if it believes their activities to be "seriously prejudicial to the vital interests of the UK". The law says that the Home Secretary should have a "reasonable belief" that those being stripped of their nationality will not become stateless. But Alison Harvey at the Immigration Law Practitioners' Association says that a reasonable belief is not enough of a safeguard.

 

[geoff clipp]

On May 7, 2014 the Home Secretary Theresa May brought forward a bill to deprive those fighting with ISIS of their citizenship. The legislation would allow if

… the Secretary of State is satisfied that the deprivation is conducive to the public good because the person, while having that citizenship status, has conducted him or herself in a manner which is seriously prejudicial to the vital interests of the United Kingdom

… them to be deprived of their citizenship, lose their passport and become stateless. Essentially exiling those fighting for ISIS.

The roll-call above shows who voted to allow terrorist fighters to return to Britain

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Clearly May has a lot to make up for and fix but she is not a complete loon like Corbyn and company. There's not enough time in the day to catalogue Corbyn, McConnell and Abbott's - at best - naive and appeasing attitude towards terror and national defence in general.

Labour would win this election if it wasn't led by these dodgy fuckers
Make Labour Sane Again

Chief Brexit negotiator Mr David Davis also opposed that bill.

That aside, it's a bit disingenuous of you to try and present this as having being a vote about ISIS. It was a vote about the circumstances in which a naturalised British citizen could be deprived of their citizenship. Many MPs, whilst supporting the idea that citizenship should be revoked in some circumstances, believed it should be put to committee whilst others believed it should be up to the secretary of state. MPs who opposed that bill were seeking an amendment to the details (as put forward by the Lords) before voting it through the commons. It was not a vote, as you put it, "to allow terrorist fighters to return to Britain".

 

[geoff clipp]

In light of Jeremey's comments today about May resigning, one has to raise Jeremy's continual opposition to any sort of shoot-to-kill policy.
I'm no fan of May but one has to ask Jeremy, what would you have wanted the police to do on Saturday Night? Watch and let the terrorists continue their stab fest? If you have to shoot Jeremey, people die.
Seriously, the man is a complete and utter chocolate fireguard and is totally unfit to lead the country in a time of crisis.

Absolutely baffling that people continue to peddle this garbage. It's fine if you don't support Corbyn but can we actually stick to the facts of the matter please? He has already said before that he would support shoot to kill where the assailant could not be safely apprehended. He couldn't have been any clearer on this subject yesterday:

He pledged "whatever action is necessary and effective" to protect people.

"That includes full authority for the police to use whatever force is necessary to protect and save life as they did last night, as they did in Westminster in March,"

 

[Prestwich_Blue]

I don't know what to do. I thought I did but I don't. I fucking hate the tories but do they have a more solid strategy when dealing with terrorists ? Is Corbyn too lax on this issue ? Yes he might help working class families which is good but what about defending our nation


I'm so torn.

While the events of the last few weeks are shocking, let's not lose sight of the bigger picture. If an event like the arena bombing were (heaven forbid) to happen in 2 years time, there might be 3 less A&E departments available to deal with the casualties and hundreds fewer police officers.

Even the most totalitarian or authoritarian governments (eg China & Russia) can't stop terrorist acts. If they can't then no democratic government can. In London there are on average 3 deaths from stabbings every week. Nationally there will be 5 deaths a week as a result of drink driving. The Tories will cut police numbers still further though.

While these despicable acts are very much at the forefront of our minds at the moment, the election isn't and shouldn't be about those.

 

[mcfc1632]

These are people involved in our emergency services speaking the truth on what this government is doing, making us less safe and secure

I will take time to listen to those later and I will try to bring the objectivity that I suggest others need to demonstrate(which they have seemed to sadly lack) when considering things that do not gel with their own bias.

So I will deliberately try to set aside any immediate concerns that the statements of representatives of the FBU, TSSA and Unison, speaking in an orchestrated session alongside Keir Starmer could, whilst being essentially truthful, possibly be presented in a manner that reflects any bias of their own.

Also I will seek to set aside the repeated reasons why Conservative governments have needed to take undesirable action to cut costs when coming into power - and therefore where a lot of the real blame lies