General Election June 8th

[ballinio]

funny how when losing the arguments the Right just fall back on personal insults. Can't blame you mate - May has run a whole crappy campaign on it.

I don't recognise right or left, it's just a tag to pigeon hole views, I don't believe there's anyone who 100% Tory or 100% labour , it's a mixture of ideas , I prefer to go by what I've seen , the evidence of my own eyes really.The Labour Party is appealing to younger people because what they say is simplistic , easy to understand & sounds like common sense, they don't remember Labour in power , especially a Corbyn type Labour Party .

 

[smudgedj]

just looked it up on - predictably - the Mail and Telegraph - it amounts to £4,42 per week less in tax relief if you take the £230pa net figure. The Mail makes more of the lowering of inheritance tax thresholds - coz obviously that hits the wealthy.

It has to be said its odd its taken so long for serious journalists to find this - maybe doing proper research rather than just mudslinging could catch on in the press and secondly it is in the Funding Document.............. May won't tell us who she is going to fuck over yet.

'tinternet tells me it's between £326 and £844.50 a year. Soooo about £6 a week minimum. As long as people know they are going to lose it and and it's not just the top 5% paying more.
Ah wait, you're not paying more you're just not getting as much relief. A little like the bedroom tax argument - you do not have to pay the state any more money, you will simply receive a smaller hand-out from the taxpayer.

 

[bluethrunthru]

Both and he's already admitted it in his manifesto!! His problems will really hit home if he can't get anywhere the extra tax revenue he's talking about, then he'll be borrowing more. Love the fact it's because it'll be to build a future for our children, one they'll no doubt be paying for, for along time too.

they are paying for it now. Debt is only slowed not reversed - household debt is rising to terrifying levels and youngsters like mine are racking up huge Uni debts. Don't kid yourself they are sitting pretty.

 

[hilts]

so - given that May is in charge of huge borrowing - which isn't going up as fast as it was so we are supposed to take that as a victory - and that she flip flopped over increased NI for the self employed and the Dementia Tax and has decided now we can't be trusted to know what she plans to do - she will just set up commissions and investigations to report and tell her what to do ( she's the PM FFS she is SUPPOSED TO KNOW what to do ) how are we supposed to vote for her? At least we know the Labour plans

I was answering your question not doing a party political broadcast on behalf of the bloody Tories, we know labours plans it's what it leads to that is very much open to discussion

 

[pirate]

Talking of pickets, I wonder how long it would take the unions to be asking for 47% pay rises for all workers, a return to secondary picketing, reversal of the ballot arrangements for strikes etc.

Do you think they could wait until Monday, or would it be over the weekend?

did that happen last time we had a labour government?

no

so why would we this time?

 

[ballinio]

they are paying for it now. Debt is only slowed not reversed - household debt is rising to terrifying levels and youngsters like mine are racking up huge Uni debts. Don't kid yourself they are sitting pretty.

And who ran up this huge debt in the first place ?

 

[Ban-jani]

I don't recognise right or left, it's just a tag to pigeon hole views, I don't believe there's anyone who 100% Tory or 100% labour , it's a mixture of ideas , I prefer to go by what I've seen , the evidence of my own eyes really.The Labour Party is appealing to younger people because what they say is simplistic , easy to understand & sounds like common sense, they don't remember Labour in power , especially a Corbyn type Labour Party .

Well said, plus young people are most likely to do online polls and social media

 

[blueparrot]

'tinternet tells me it's between £326 and £844.50 a year. Soooo about £6 a week minimum. As long as people know they are going to lose it and and it's not just the top 5% paying more.
Ah wait, you're not paying more you're just not getting as much relief. A little like the bedroom tax argument - you do not have to pay the state any more money, you will simply receive a smaller hand-out from the taxpayer.

No, if one partner doesnt earn enough to pay tax , they can transfer £1150 of their allowance to their spouse, so reduce their tax by £230 , so the most it can cost a married couple is £230. But why should a married couple get it but not a couple living together.

 

[hilts]

did that happen last time we had a labour government?

no

so why would we this time?

We need to decide if the last lot we're in fact a proper Labour Party because anything they did wrong the left on here disowned them pretty sharpish

 

[urban genie]

General consensus would be Abbott will go in the next reshuffle. Do you guys think that as well? Will cement my vote if it was confirmed.

If labour win Corbyn will again be conciliatory to at least some of the PLP who have sulked (I say some as I cannot see that pair of twats benn and kinnock forgiven) and be offered chances to be in the cabinet some will, with power again suddenly be willing.
Clive lewis will definately be back, but I could see cooper, milliband, javis and chuka be willing to get involved, I honestly cannot see abbot keeping the position in fact if the 4 above still sulked, then with lewis back he can shuffle raynor, long-bailey and gardiner about, and put ine in for abbot
Thornberry and McDonnell wil stay as is.

The eagle sisters and owen smith may even be willing to return, being in power is all they craved.