General Election June 8th

[blue cigar]

May already looks shaky, i wonder if she has the stomach for a fight. Absolutely savaged by yvette cooper today and looked shell shocked..id like to see dennis skinner go head to head with her, she would be ripped to bits!

 

[urban genie]

There are so many key domestic issues that need to be dealt with in the coming years - but there is no escaping the fact that the 'main event' is Brexit - and how that goes will set the scene for the best way all the other key issues can be managed.

So, perversely for some, it is best to support May to ensure that she is positioned to get the best from the negotiations and then the rest can be afforded - without a good Brexit outcome any promises made about all the other key issues have no credibility.

But the differences in what either party expect from the exit from the EU are not that many, in fact if a left leaning labour party had been in power during the referendum I would have voted to leave as the EU flies in the face of many socialist ideals.

A Brexit that tosses our membership of the single market aside, making way for a low-wage, low-tax, low-regulation future that marries a vision of offshore Britain with dependence on foreign capital from wealthy authoritarian regimes around the world is what we could be in line for if may gets her way and preventing this is labours main difference in approach, and not the libs meltdown remoaning stance

Either party if they get in will be negotiating the same, and europe may be more pliable to a less gobshit attitude that may has used with empty rhetoric about off shore britain and other bollocks.

As I said it's a big issue, but if it's made the only issue then the public are beig sold short on other issues that matter as much.

 

[kaz7]

Hopefully, the debate will get on to some real issues like the underfunding of Social Care.

A reduction in foreign aid could help to support social care that also supports the NHS.

The election will not be about anything but brexit,suits the tories to sneak in policies without anyone noticing until it's too late

 

[SWP's back]

Why.is skinner a wank stain, because he called he out on what this is about 30 tories possibly being kicked out of parliament for fraud and getting prosecuted, she's a coward, she has hid from any major issue she fucked up in her time as home secretary and shifted blame, same as now, running scared of the the party being in the shit from criminal courts and her backbenchers rejecting her exit recomendations.

24. Potentially.

 

[Blue Hefner]

May already looks shaky, i wonder if she has the stomach for a fight. Absolutely savaged by yvette cooper today and looked shell shocked..id like to see dennis skinner go head to head with her, she would be ripped to bits!

I disagree - I thought she gave a reasonable answer to Cooper's question

Coalition of Chaos is a term that is bobbing around. The Greens, Labour and Lib Dems - is this what the Labour Party has been reduced to? Very sad if so

Is a Tory win, to crack on with Brexit and then a sensible Centre party come through over the next 5 years the best option?

 

[mcfc1632]

Does anyone have thoughts either way on TV debates?

Why should the PM stand in a format that gives Tim Farron and other lightweights the same status as the PM - just to satisfy the Media organisation's desires.

The other parties are way behind in every area and only have a 'puncher's chance' - so why give that chance when you have nothing to win.

 

[blueparrot]

Why should the PM stand in a format that gives Tim Farron and other lightweights the same status as the PM - just to satisfy the Media organisation's desires.

The other parties are way behind in every area and only have a 'puncher's chance' - so why give that chance when you have nothing to win.

She wont be PM then, I'm no fan of tv debates but she wants a mandate to negotiate brexit surely for that the voters need to know what sort of brexit she wants to negotiate and like it or not most voters now get their information from these debates.
How can I give a mandate to somebody that wont tell me what she stands for, or give me a vision of the future, apart from keep saying brexit means brexit the last I really heard her expand on brexit was when she was telling me it was bad for Britain, just like a few months ago she told me an election was too.

 

[blue cigar]

I disagree - I thought she gave a reasonable answer to Cooper's question

Coalition of Chaos is a term that is bobbing around. The Greens, Labour and Lib Dems - is this what the Labour Party has been reduced to? Very sad if so

Is a Tory win, to crack on with Brexit and then a sensible Centre party come through over the next 5 years the best option?

Yes, labour cannot win but they can start a process of recovery. They may get the right Miliband this time which will be a good move. I just detect that May is uncomfortable and refusing the tv debates is an error, its not just about brexit and people can be swayed by such arrogance.

 

[vonkeynotvenky]

She wont be PM then, I'm no fan of tv debates but she wants a mandate to negotiate brexit surely for that the voters need to know what sort of brexit she wants to negotiate and like it or not most voters now get their information from these debates.
How can I give a mandate to somebody that wont tell me what she stands for, or give me a vision of the future, apart from keep saying brexit means brexit the last I really heard her expand on brexit was when she was telling me it was bad for Britain, just like a few months ago she told me an election was too.

This is what we voted for and Brexit is what it is, there is no hard Brexit just Brexit. None of these politicians were ambiguous they were perfectly clear.

 

[SWP's back]

How can I give a mandate to somebody that wont tell me what she stands for

Isn't that what a manifesto is for?

Tell me who you think was a great British PM

 

[blueparrot]

This is what we voted for and Brexit is what it is, there is no hard Brexit just Brexit. None of these politicians were ambiguous they were perfectly clear.

Brexit can be anything we want to make it we can negotiate trade deals and levels of free movement and we will. Just brexit is just meaninless jargon. The final deal will be full of compromises we are already seeing a shift to this with talk of transitional periods after the two years, and maintaining some free movement.
anybody expecting a complete brexit will be as disappointed as anybody expecting no brexit.

 

[vonkeynotvenky]

Brexit can be anything we want to make it we can negotiate trade deals and levels of free movement and we will. Just brexit is just meaninless jargon. The final deal will be full of compromises we are already seeing a shift to this with talk of transitional periods after the two years, and maintaining some free movement.
anybody expecting a complete brexit will be as disappointed as anybody expecting no brexit.

You'll find that any negotiation has an element of Horse trading but the spirit of the vote will be honoured. Remainers seem to want to change the goalposts when the vote and discussions before the vote were quite clear. If remainers were so confident that they were going to get a mythical soft Brexit they wouldn't be constantly complaining about it on a daily basis.

TM is doing a fine job.

 

[Xiphos]

Why.is skinner a wank stain, because he called he out on what this is about 30 tories possibly being kicked out of parliament for fraud and getting prosecuted, she's a coward, she has hid from any major issue she fucked up in her time as home secretary and shifted blame, same as now, running scared of the the party being in the shit from criminal courts and her backbenchers rejecting her exit recomendations.

Skinner is not only a wank stain hes a fruitcake wank stain who should be seeking professional mental health care, now you just keep clutching at straws socialist boy

 

[blueparrot]

Isn't that what a manifesto is for?

Tell me who you think was a great British PM

If its in the manifesto fine, I bet there is no vision of brexit deals we will be aiming for in the manifesto though. Do you know any voters that have read any parties manifesto?
Wouldnt say there has been a 'great' PM in my time, they all have black marks against them, though it's impossible not to, but if I had to choose one that I would vote for again if thay all stood , that had done the most for me and my family it would be Blair.

 

[blueparrot]

You'll find that any negotiation has an element of Horse trading but the spirit of the vote will be honoured. Remainers seem to want to change the goalposts when the vote and discussions before the vote were quite clear. If remainers were so confident that they were going to get a mythical soft Brexit they wouldn't be constantly complaining about it on a daily basis.

TM is doing a fine job.

Whats 'the spirit ' of the vote ? What horse trading is acceptable ? Does May believe in any free movement,?Would she allow some free movement to access the free market ? I just want to know what her vision is and then I can decide whether I trust her with negotiating or I would prefer somebody else to do it.
Surely any leaver wants to know the answer as well, before you give her a mandate, how dissapointed would you be if after getting her mandate she turns round and says her brexit is , for example the Norway option , would you want to withdraw you mandate then?

 

[urban genie]

Skinner is not only a wank stain hes a fruitcake wank stain who should be seeking professional mental health care, now you just keep clutching at straws socialist boy

An honest man who has attended parliament nearly every day to represent he can his constituents and work hard for bolsover, has made the least ever exspence claims, will not use the public purse to travel between constituency and parliament.

Sorry but does a few choice words in what is the pantomine of parliament upset you? he has his beliefs and sticks to them unlike may who has no pricipals.

 

[SWP's back]

Whats 'the spirit ' of the vote ? What horse trading is acceptable ? Does May believe in any free movement,?Would she allow some free movement to access the free market ? I just want to know what her vision is and then I can decide whether I trust her with negotiating or I would prefer somebody else to do it.
Surely any leaver wants to know the answer as well, before you give her a mandate, how dissapointed would you be if after getting her mandate she turns round and says her brexit is , for example the Norway option , would you want to withdraw you mandate then?

Well you've got the choice of Tory and whatever Brexit they can achieve down the line or Labour/Lib and none.

May isn't going to give away her position to the EU and how far she is prepared to go for certain things beforehand.

 

[bluethrunthru]

Heard May in Bolton interviewing for a 23 month job............ unfortunately she is applying for a 5 year vacancy.

Yes Brexit is important but her govt is presiding over underfunded schools an NHS, unaffordable housing to name but a few. Then there's our place in an ever more troubled world with North Korea and the US ratting each others cages. Plus potentially 30 candidates facing arrest for election fraud and the Scots Nats agitating for Indy2 - its clear why she wants to rerun the referendum that was already won but such narrow campaigning is fraught with danger

 

[Blue Hefner]

Heard May in Bolton interviewing for a 23 month job............ unfortunately she is applying for a 5 year vacancy.

Yes Brexit is important but her govt is presiding over underfunded schools an NHS, unaffordable housing to name but a few. Then there's our place in an ever more troubled world with North Korea and the US ratting each others cages. Plus potentially 30 candidates facing arrest for election fraud and the Scots Nats agitating for Indy2 - its clear why she wants to rerun the referendum that was already won but such narrow campaigning is fraught with danger

As true as all that is, I can't see Labour making a positive difference. That is the real shame in all of this

 

[vonkeynotvenky]

Whats 'the spirit ' of the vote ? What horse trading is acceptable ? Does May believe in any free movement,?Would she allow some free movement to access the free market ? I just want to know what her vision is and then I can decide whether I trust her with negotiating or I would prefer somebody else to do it.
Surely any leaver wants to know the answer as well, before you give her a mandate, how dissapointed would you be if after getting her mandate she turns round and says her brexit is , for example the Norway option , would you want to withdraw you mandate then?

Leavers knew what they were voting for in the main they knew they were not voting for no change. Before the EU existed immigration existed and people applied to live and work here in their millions. What changed is unfettered immigration with hardly any checks to see who was coming in rubber stamped by a federal monster hell bent on destroying national cultures and identities.

Negotiations don't get discussed in public that would just be plain stupid. I assume that it's going to be as close to a full Brexit as was offered by every politician before the referendum. If it isn't delivered as honestly as possible there are consequences for the Tories which is why they adopted many ukip aims to appease ukip voters.

Brits aren't making the rules here. We can't have access to the single market without free movement of people and if the EU don't move from that position then we don't have access to the single market. What do you think people who voted for Brexit voted for?