General Election June 8th

[Magicpole]

There are indeed I have met many over many fantastic climbing and walking trips in the highlands. Then there are people like Sturgeon and her ilk, the phychophantic drum beaters like you magic pole who are filled with hate and bile.

I am not filled with bile or hate. I'm a lovely fella. Ask anybody. :)

 

[Blue Hefner]

If you read it properly you'll see some bits about reversing tax cuts and getting companies to pay what they owe in tax. That might be a clue. Plus as debt is still rising yet we're getting less and less for that, it may as well rise and we get some benefit from it.

but saying they will 'reverse' or 'end' certain things isn't really what I meant. I can say that, but are there any numbers and mechanisms to go with it?

Can I say, I am not overly negative about some of the Labour polices as I think what the Tories have done to the poor, unemployed, health service etc is appalling. But, Miliband had similar ideas, yet got nowhere.

I don't think the country does ot care about these issues, I just think they cannot see Corbyn as a leader of a country as he cannot get his message across.

 

[Ancient Citizen]

I see Jezza is reverting to type and it's the NHS and 'Inequality' that's going to be his springboard to No. 10.
The NHS is done to death every election, and yes, you've guessed it, he's going to throw yet more money at it.
What the fuck is this 'Inequality? We have equal pay acts going back decades, and racial discrimination is outlawed,
Ask anyone on the street about what their concerns are and I doubt inequality will be the first thing on their list,
yet these Islington socialists believe it to be a pressing concern for everyone.

 

[Manc Born & Bred]

I see Jezza is reverting to type and it's the NHS and 'Inequality' that's going to be his springboard to No. 10.
The NHS is done to death every election, and yes, you've guessed it, he's going to throw yet more money at it.
What the fuck is this 'Inequality? We have equal pay acts going back decades, and racial discrimination is outlawed,
Ask anyone on the street about what their concerns are and I doubt inequality will be the first thing on their list,
yet these Islington socialists believe it to be a pressing concern for everyone.

Maybe he means we should all be paid an MPs salary, expenses and perks?

 

[vonkeynotvenky]

Corbyn on BBC2 now and he's about as convincing as haemorrhoids on a hobby Horse.

 

[inbetween]

What socialist government was this?
I'm only 48, so it might have been before I was born, & not covered in the history I studied.


All costed, and if you look at it, a lot of the revenue raising streams are in the policies (stop funding the rail networks for France, Holland, Germany etc, reverse the monies going out of the NHS into private (often offshore accounts), reverse corporation tax cuts, ban firms abusing tax loopholes from tendering for government contracts (G4s, Serco, ATOS, Virgin,etc etc), building 100,000 council house (reduce unemployment in the building and supply trades, cut the cost of HB, youth training schemes to give hope to our next generation and reduce mental health problems).
The policies Labour have are good or great for the vast majority of the electorate, but, as the established elite would suffer, you won't hear this in the MSM, which is why I will be interested to see how many of the 300,000+ new members of the Labour party are out on the streets and knocking doors to get the message out there.
IF they can turn this election into a "state of the nation" debate rather than solely on Brexit (of which we can't be told the plans as it would weaken the bargaining position with the EU), then it might not be the tory landslide many predict.

What a load of twaddle, what has been costed? So Labour have conducted a HMRC type investigation into the tax affairs of every single company? They have also costed every single penny from every single governmental contract etc etc.

All Labour have done is made a few sweeping statements all of which will be lucky to raise £1bn let alone £500bn.

 

[TheRemainsOfTheDave]

What socialist government was this?
I'm only 48, so it might have been before I was born, & not covered in the history I studied.

Okay, LABOUR government but you knew what I meant.

 

[cibaman]

She'll be on the telly in debates with selected members of the public, that make up the views of the current UK electorate, answering their questions so she will be challenged with proper questions.
Lets face it, debate with umpteen party leaders are effing useless anyway - Kindergarten politics.

The in depth interviews with the likes of Neil and Paxman are much more revealing than the debates. That's when they really get under the skin of the party leaders and make them squirm.

 

[Mad Eyed Screamer]

If the Tories remain in power, I'm off.....

 

[cibaman]

Corbyn on BBC2 now and he's about as convincing as haemorrhoids on a hobby Horse.

I thought it was very entertaining. I particularly enjoyed it when he was praised for "answering the questions" (Whoop! Whoop!) and then completely ignored the next question on whether Labour would call for a 2nd EU referendum.

 

[RandomJ]

 

[mcfc1632]

She's a 'great leader'....well let's fucking see her or she is all right wing hype?

Big tough negotiator too scared to debate?

You clearly do not have the slightest clue about how these major negotiations will be conducted - you are just obsessed with slagging off the PM, generally in a really childish manner.

It is a simple fact that everybody involved with the negotiations will be advising May that she must not be setting out in public the key areas and outcomes that we will be seeking to secure. That is an absolute fact.

The negotiation strategy and the evolving shape of the deal will absolutely and should, be kept very private indeed. When we (the negotiating team and its Leader May) are facing a difficult situation - and may need to alter cause - make a compromise or be at any other key decision point, discussions and decisions will and should, be undertaken within a small circle of people that have been given the mandate to undertake the negotiations.

The last thing anyone that has the best interests of the UK at heart should want would be for the head of the negotiating team, May, to be put on a stage and in answering the questions that will undoubtedly be put, announce key aspects of the negotiating strategy and approach to millions of listeners - are you aware that they have TVs in Brussels as well?

You are, IMO, either to simple to assess these simple facts or just simply so fucking desperate to shore up the risks to the SNP that you find a way to rationalise to yourself the bollocks you continually post.

 

[mcfc1632]

Why don't we just call this thread the Tory appreciation thread and be done with it?

Seems any views that don't involve hanging out of May's arse are not welcome.

It's a fair point I make. She needs to debate. If she doesn't she will be seen as scared.[/QUOTE]
Only by people that are either obsessed, unable to assess simple facts or who place their personal priorities, interests and obsessions well ahead of the UK's negotiating team getting the best outcome for the UK from these negotiations or all three

 

[RandomJ]

You clearly do not have the slightest clue about how these major negotiations will be conducted - you are just obsessed with slagging off the PM, generally in a really childish manner.

It is a simple fact that everybody involved with the negotiations will be advising May that she must not be setting out in public the key areas and outcomes that we will be seeking to secure. That is an absolute fact.

The negotiation strategy and the evolving shape of the deal will absolutely and should, be kept very private indeed. When we (the negotiating team and its Leader May) are facing a difficult situation - and may need to alter cause - make a compromise or be at any other key decision point, discussions and decisions will and should, be undertaken within a small circle of people that have been given the mandate to undertake the negotiations.

The last thing anyone that has the best interests of the UK at heart should want would be for the head of the negotiating team, May, to be put on a stage and in answering the questions that will undoubtedly be put, announce key aspects of the negotiating strategy and approach to millions of listeners - are you aware that they have TVs in Brussels as well?

You are, IMO, either to simple to assess these simple facts or just simply so fucking desperate to shore up the risks to the SNP that you find a way to rationalise to yourself the bollocks you continually post.

Oh come off it. Her avoiding the debates has nothing to do with Brexit. The reason she's avoiding it is cos she has nothing to gain and everything to lose. If she agrees to do it and makes a tit of herself then the poll numbers could start heading in the wrong direction. Don't try and pass this off as some masterplan to keep our Brexit cards close to our chest.

 

[Manc Born & Bred]

If the Tories remain in power, I'm off.....

See you

 

[mcfc1632]

Until you think it through.

Glad someone else understands the simple logic of why May will be strongly advised - for very good reasons - that she would be doing the UK a major disservice if she was to put herself in a position of having to disclose sensitive information about the forthcoming negotiations just as they are about to start.

Just what level of obsession or lack of ability to think things through is it that makes people capable of not understanding this very simple fact

 

[Prestwich_Blue]

Glad someone else understands the simple logic of why May will be strongly advised - for very good reasons - that she would be doing the UK a major disservice if she was to put herself in a position of having to disclose sensitive information about the forthcoming negotiations just as they are about to start.

Just what level of obsession or lack of ability to think things through is it that makes people capable of not understanding this very simple fact

But she doesn't have to give anything away in a TV debate. I think most people would be quite interested in hearing where she stands on the NHS, social care, the plan to reduce the deficit, affordable housing, etc. None of those involve giving away any Brexit negotiation secrets.

 

[drthingy]

That was the first time I have seen Corbyn come across as someone I could vote for. Very clear on chasing tax avoiders and also highlighted that even with all the austerity this Tory party have borrowed more than all labour governments combined.

He avoided brexit discussions which may well be their downfall.

Interesting times


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[cibaman]

Oh come off it. Her avoiding the debates has nothing to do with Brexit. The reason she's avoiding it is cos she has nothing to gain and everything to lose. If she agrees to do it and makes a tit of herself then the poll numbers could start heading in the wrong direction. Don't try and pass this off as some masterplan to keep our Brexit cards close to our chest.

She's opened herself up to interrogation on her Brexit strategy, simply by calling a general election for the stated purpose of strengthening her mandate on Brexit.

 

[blueparrot]

But she doesn't have to give anything away in a TV debate. I think most people would be quite interested in hearing where she stands on the NHS, social care, the plan to reduce the deficit, affordable housing, etc. None of those involve giving away any Brexit negotiation secrets.

Without giving away secrets she could also give some sort of outline or vision of a future relationship, she asking for a mandate on leading our negotiations at least give us a clue of what we are voting for. As well as all the other probably more important stuff for most peoples everyday life.