General Election June 8th

Who will you vote for at the General Election?

  • Conservatives

    Votes: 189 28.8%

  • Labour

    Votes: 366 55.8%

  • Liberal Democrats

    Votes: 37 5.6%

  • SNP

    Votes: 8 1.2%

  • UKIP

    Votes: 23 3.5%

  • Other

    Votes: 33 5.0%
  • Total voters
    656
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SWP's back said:
That's not true:

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And look at the trend. Non-EU migration is on its way down and EU migration was going through the roof.

If you're gonna state things, then get it right mate and save me going and looking it up.
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Suppose it depends on how up to date your info is. Not much in it either way.

The fact remains, there is no need and no real will to reduce immigration and absolutely zero chance it will go down to anything like tens of thousands. It's a ridiculously far fetched number. I find it pretty alarming that the current government would prefer to placate the vocal minority of people who don't understand or accept our need for immigration at the current rates rather than be honest and up front about it. At least Labour are admitting that and instead addressing the need for immigration to stop being used as a means to undercut already low wages.

The Office of Budget Responsibility has said it needs to go up in order to sustain our ageing population. The dependency ratio is increasing at a rapid rate and a reduction of net immigration could be disastrous to the economy.
"spending on pensions, healthcare and social care means that in the absence of migration, debt as a percentage of GDP would increase from 75% in 2012 to 175% by 2057."

We can pick up this argument in a few years time. Net migration into the UK will not be reducing any kind of of meaningful way any time soon. When we see the inevitable drop in migration from within the EU post-Brexit, the gap will simply be plugged by a rise in immigration from outside of the EU. I'm sure that will heralded as a fantastic victory by those concerned when in fact the whole thing will have been epic and expensive waste of time.
 
geoff clipp said:
Suppose it depends on how up to date your info is. Not much in it either way.
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Well mine goes up to September 2016 and yours to March 2015.

As I say, Non-EU migration is on its way down and EU migration was going through the roof and is above Non-EU migration. Which is the opposite of what you said was happening.
 
Gaylord du Bois said:
You don't think he should have been all over this by now then?
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at least he had manifesto costings to refer to - All I heard from May last night was " No idea. Elect me and we will consult" Thing is we can't all be winners can we and so far pensioners who have saved and bought a home, NHS workers and those on low incomes are right in the firing line for a losers medal whereas those with a large estate will be winners thanks to inheritance tax reform and those wanting to buy up large chunks of a privatised NHS will benefit courtesy of her adoption of the content of the Naylor Report.

If you don't like Corbyn's offer then fair enough at least you can see it and make your mind up - the Tories aren't making an offer- they are just begging that they are trusted.....
 
Gaylord du Bois said:
You don't think he should have been all over this by now then?
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Absolutely. That was one of the worst interviews I've heard or seen from him and it was the first time he's sounded tired during this campaign. But the facts remain that bumbling the figures in a live interview when your costings are all in the public domain is a million miles away from having the arrogance to not include costings and figures in your actual manifesto.
 
I don't mind either politician making mistakes or forgetting figures. It's a big manifesto to remember every single word and a big spreadsheet to remember every sum.

Corbyn is passionate about this country, he's capable of getting through any pathetic argument against him like how he hates the Queen and loves the IRA.

Paxman was completely owned last night, he was awful and adopted a pathetic line of questioning that Corbyn dismissed with ease I felt.

It's as if the media over here thinks the American political system is what we need to replicate. Rag N Bone man loves Corbyn. Drag him out for a Corbyn gig with some other celebs. Corbyn loves the IRA and shouldn't be anywhere near government. He should be locked up in a cell for being a terrorist. I can't help but hear Donald Trump talk when I write those things. Did Theresa May fight in 'Nam?

One positive is that Corbyn is finally being heard rather than a tired rhetoric about his party having no faith in him. And now he's being heard he's being liked. He's not perfect, but he's a lot closer to what this country needs than Theresa May is.

Her PR have fucked up. They thought she'd win by using three words over and over and avoiding answering any questions. She thought her investors would shield the media from slating her. Strong stable leadership. Yet she appears weak and flustered when interviewed on her manifesto. She's backtracked on a policy which is unstable if anything.

I think May is undoubtedly hardworking and intelligent but she's not a leader. She's uninspiring and she is awkward in public. She doesn't enjoy meeting people and I imagine when she gets back in her limousine after a public meeting she's got the anti-bacterial gel out and is shivering from over exposure to the outdoors.

Corbyn would have us all holding hands naked and singing about Marx if he could. Fortunately he's learning from his party that he needs to get his lefty ideals slightly closer to the centre at the moment and that's admirable. He's sacrificing some of his ideals for the greater good of the country and that's endorsing his own left wing ideals if ever you heard it.

A high quality free education system and free healthcare system are essential. I believe we're at the stage where both could be eroded beyond repair if they're not fixed in the next government and I don't believe any party other than Labour will try to fix them.

So that's the way I'll vote.
 
Boris Johnson just informed me via his Facebook page of a proposed garden tax on the Labour manifesto. It's safe to say he wasn't in favour but he didn't go into details.

Anyone got the quick synopsis of it?

Also mentioned a £6bn countryside tax that would push food prices up. Is it just hyperbole? Genuine question as I don't expect him to be unbiased.
 
supercity88 said:
I don't mind either politician making mistakes or forgetting figures. It's a big manifesto to remember every single word and a big spreadsheet to remember every sum.

Corbyn is passionate about this country, he's capable of getting through any pathetic argument against him like how he hates the Queen and loves the IRA.

Paxman was completely owned last night, he was awful and adopted a pathetic line of questioning that Corbyn dismissed with ease I felt.

It's as if the media over here thinks the American political system is what we need to replicate. Rag N Bone man loves Corbyn. Drag him out for a Corbyn gig with some other celebs. Corbyn loves the IRA and shouldn't be anywhere near government. He should be locked up in a cell for being a terrorist. I can't help but hear Donald Trump talk when I write those things. Did Theresa May fight in 'Nam?

One positive is that Corbyn is finally being heard rather than a tired rhetoric about his party having no faith in him. And now he's being heard he's being liked. He's not perfect, but he's a lot closer to what this country needs than Theresa May is.

Her PR have fucked up. They thought she'd win by using three words over and over and avoiding answering any questions. She thought her investors would shield the media from slating her. Strong stable leadership. Yet she appears weak and flustered when interviewed on her manifesto. She's backtracked on a policy which is unstable if anything.

I think May is undoubtedly hardworking and intelligent but she's not a leader. She's uninspiring and she is awkward in public. She doesn't enjoy meeting people and I imagine when she gets back in her limousine after a public meeting she's got the anti-bacterial gel out and is shivering from over exposure to the outdoors.

Corbyn would have us all holding hands naked and singing about Marx if he could. Fortunately he's learning from his party that he needs to get his lefty ideals slightly closer to the centre at the moment and that's admirable. He's sacrificing some of his ideals for the greater good of the country and that's endorsing his own left wing ideals if ever you heard it.

A high quality free education system and free healthcare system are essential. I believe we're at the stage where both could be eroded beyond repair if they're not fixed in the next government and I don't believe any party other than Labour will try to fix them.

So that's the way I'll vote.
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Great post.
 
SWP's back said:
Boris Johnson just informed me via his Facebook page of a proposed garden tax on the Labour manifesto. It's safe to say he wasn't in favour but he didn't go into details.

Anyone got the quick synopsis of it?

Also mentioned a £6bn countryside tax that would push food prices up. Is it just hyperbole? Genuine question as I don't expect him to be unbiased.
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Morning folks. I think it is important you know
that in the small print of Jeremy Corbyn’s manifesto there are plans for a Garden Tax to raise billions for Labour’s reckless spending pledges.

Corbyn's Garden Tax will hit you and your family by:

Trebling your Council Tax bill.

Sending house prices plummeting and plunging mortgage holders into negative equity.

Forcing families to sell off back yards, paving over England’s greenery.

Also - Farmers warn huge new £6 billion Countryside Tax will send food prices soaring

Soaring bills for family homes: Under the Labour Land Campaign plan, this new town hall tax would be imposed as a 3% levy on the value of land. Analysis shows this would result in yearly tax bill of £3,837 for an average family home in England – a massive 224% increase on the current average council tax bill of £1,185. The tax would fall hardest on areas with higher land prices, including London, the South and thriving market towns.

Recipe for negative equity: Both the Labour Land Campaign and leading think tank, the IPPR, have warned that a Land Value Tax could lead to plummeting house prices and negative equity. The IPPR said a Land Value Tax could “push some heavily mortgaged homeowners over the edge”.

Corbyn’s Garden Tax: The IPPR has also branded a Land Value Tax a “tax on gardens”, which could force home owners to sell off their family gardens to lower their bills. They also warned town halls would be bribed into giving the green light for more development to get their hands on more cash, leading to a return to “garden grabbing” that was actively encouraged under John Prescott’s planning rules before 2010.

A separate study on Land Value Tax produced by Labour, LibDem and Green councillors on Oxfordshire County Council has noted that houses with gardens would be the biggest losers under land value taxation.

Labour have form. The last Labour Government was building a council tax revaluation database with intrusive data on people’s gardens – this was cancelled by Conservatives in 2010.

New Countryside Tax: Under the Labour Land Campaign plan, agricultural land which is currently exempt from council tax or business rates would also be hit – with devastating consequences for farmers and the cost of the family shop. This £6 billion new Countryside Tax “would simply increase the cost of UK food production with no benefit for shoppers”, the National Farmers Union have warned.

Backed by Coalition of Chaos: This dangerous cocktail of misery for families is endorsed by the Liberal Democrat and Green Party 2017 manifestos, and was backed by SNP party conference in March. This raise the prospect of it being a top priority for a Jeremy Corbyn-led coalition of chaos.

Only a vote for Theresa May and her local Conservative candidates will stop this terrible new town hall tax from becoming reality.


He is referring to this

LOCAL COMMUNITIES
Councils deliver vital local services to our communities, but their budgets have been slashed by Conservative cuts. This has led to a deterioration of local services, from bin collection to road repair, and the loss of important community assets such as libraries, youth centres and women’s refuges. Labour believes in devolving power to local communities but that requires the necessary funding follows. You cannot empower local government if you impoverish it. A Labour government will give local government extra funding next year. We will initiate a review into reforming council tax and business rates and consider new options such as a land value tax, to ensure local government has sustainable funding for the long term. Labour is the party of devolution and we believe in handing back power to communities. We will devolve powers over economic development, complete with the necessary funding.
 
Peggy's a blue said:
http://www.express.co.uk/news/polit...yn-council-tax-bills-homeowner-john-mcdonnell
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interesting the figures in there are from

The analysis commissioned by the Conservatives shows this would result in yearly tax bill of £3,837 for an average family home in England – a massive 224 per cent increase on the current average council tax bill of £1,185.
However, in some areas the increase could be much higher based on current values and council tax levels.
In Westminster local tax would rise a massive 2,300 per cent to £17,413 at the highest end.
In Birmingham the increase would be 320 per cent to an average of £2,726.
Behind the income tax pledge is a proposal to gradually introduce a tax raid on peoples' properties
Meanwhile in Manchester there would be a 338 per cent hike to £2,614.
One of the poorest council areas of England - Barking and Dagenham - would see hard pressed council tax payers faced with an average bill of more than 500 per cent more at £4,579 a year.

Nothing there but tory figures rendering them meaningless.
 
KenTheLandlord said:
interesting the figures in there are from

The analysis commissioned by the Conservatives shows this would result in yearly tax bill of £3,837 for an average family home in England – a massive 224 per cent increase on the current average council tax bill of £1,185.
However, in some areas the increase could be much higher based on current values and council tax levels.
In Westminster local tax would rise a massive 2,300 per cent to £17,413 at the highest end.
In Birmingham the increase would be 320 per cent to an average of £2,726.
Behind the income tax pledge is a proposal to gradually introduce a tax raid on peoples' properties
Meanwhile in Manchester there would be a 338 per cent hike to £2,614.
One of the poorest council areas of England - Barking and Dagenham - would see hard pressed council tax payers faced with an average bill of more than 500 per cent more at £4,579 a year.

Nothing there but tory figures rendering them meaningless.
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Well that's alright then ;-)
 
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