General Election June 8th

Who will you vote for at the General Election?

  • Conservatives

    Votes: 189 28.8%

  • Labour

    Votes: 366 55.8%

  • Liberal Democrats

    Votes: 37 5.6%

  • SNP

    Votes: 8 1.2%

  • UKIP

    Votes: 23 3.5%

  • Other

    Votes: 33 5.0%
  • Total voters
    656
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Mëtal Bikër said:
Even medics have to have fired a weapon in training and been shown to be willing to take a life. Also, note that the medic heals those already wounded by others actions. They haven't prevented the wound from occuring by their responsiblity to primarily heal others. Prevention is better than cure. That's the deterrant. Diplomacy, like what Corbyn adovcates in such a scenario, is merely the act of trying to prevent escalation, not helped when your opponent knows they will endure no retribution for their actions.
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Comparing a medic to have the training of being able to take 'a' life and a politician to take 'millions' of lives is not really a fair comparison even in principle.
 
malg said:
Ah right. I like yer man Corbyn, as he comes across quite well on debates, but anyone who would have that fucking loathsome cow Abbott in their cabinet needs looking at.
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Well she's probably got all the Betamax tapes of their tryst
 
Mëtal Bikër said:
Even medics have to have fired a weapon in training and been shown to be willing to take a life. Also, note that the medic heals those already wounded by others actions. They haven't prevented the wound from occuring by their responsiblity to primarily heal others. Prevention is better than cure. That's the deterrant. Diplomacy, like what Corbyn adovcates in such a scenario, is merely the act of trying to prevent escalation, not helped when your opponent knows they will endure no retribution for their actions.
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You have obviously not watched Hacksaw Ridge then.
 
Speaks volumes on how the two campaigns are going that the Tories in the audience spent more time calling for pre-emptive nuclear strikes on North Korea than grilling Corbyn on whether his sums add up.

They could have done some serious damage to his chances if he'd made a blunder on the economy but he seemed to get through that part unscathed.

May will be happy with how she got on, the audience were pretty soft on her with Dimbleby asking the tougher questions. She got through unscathed which was important, a bad performance tonight and the result of the election starts to come into doubt.

Got to wonder where they dragged them idiots in from. "We have to hit them first!" Incredible.
 
Damocles said:
Just to be clear here, if the UK were hit by a first strike can somebody explain what are the benefits to retaliation that will kill millions?

I've never understood this. It can't be to prevent us getting hit, because we've already been hit. It can't be to stop a war because a nuclear war by definition won't last long enough to matter.

Why? Why are people so desperate for It? Petty revenge? You want to slaughter millions and risk a global climate change event on the scale of the dinosaurs mass extinction because some maniac bombed us?

Somebody has to explain this. It makes no sense at all. I can only presume people haven't thought this through.
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I think this the first time we have ever agreed on anything.

All this bravado bullshit about bombing. Fuck sake. I wonder how every other country's citizens sleep at night without the umbrella of nukes, us six lucky countries enjoy?

So, some mad bastard sends a bomb to kill our innocent men women and children and I'm going to be happy or even willing to incinerate millions of other innocent human beings out of what? Revenge?

The cunts who fired it are safe in a bunker.

We are kept scared so we buy these fucking waste of money systems, that we don't need, to keep us safe from a threat that doesn't really exist, to kill people we don't know, just so some bunch of Yorkshire twats with shit football teams want to bomb to take the edge of living with that accent and being tight as fuck. :)

Laughable. Corbyn is right, we don't need them. The threats we face needs conventional and cyber defences.

Spare a thought for the poor Swedes this night. Lying in bed asking, why don't we have Trident?

How can we go on, but at least we don't have to push that button.

You couldn't make up the bulkshit people swallow to help spend all our money on a dick enlarger.

We ain't got an empire anymore, why don't we just chill the fuck out and stop marching to the bomb manufacturers beat?
 
Machiavelli said:
For the third time - Team America has got our back. You're carrying on as if we're on our own. It's getting ridiculous now.
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The way people are talking about nuclear weapons on this thread and the way it is seen as an issue in debates, may be people in this country deserve Trump like character who would be trigger happy and kill millions by using a nuclear weapon.
 
smudgedj said:
Oh a new bank; wonder how much the CEO is going to get paid and if his cleaner will be on 20x less.
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Based on a minimum wage of £10ph for the cleaner, and a 37hr week they'd be on £384,800.

Peggy's a blue said:
Do you honestly believe that piece of shit was a Mancunian?
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Yes. He was born here.

Peggy's a blue said:
I feell sorry for you, I really do. Try reading instead of pulling your small dick in front of the glamour boys
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WTF are you on?

Bozo said:
How can we elect Corbyn when we don't know if he would or wouldn't react to an entirely hypothetical situation which has never happened before and will probably never happen?
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It really is a quandary.

Ricster said:
Love this man, and I think in an ideal world he was the best option for US Presidency. Shame Hilary screwed him in the primaries.

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Absolutely.

FTR https://www.equalitytrust.org.uk/scale-economic-inequality-uk
 
arbabarshad said:
The way people are talking about nuclear weapons on this thread and the way it is seen as an issue in debates, may be people in this country deserve Trump like character who would be trigger happy and kill millions by using a nuclear weapon.
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Mëtal Bikër said:
That's because we're not.

It's about whether Corbyn is capable of making a decision that would affect everyone given his opposition to them in the past.

Bit of an odd analogy here;

"Cars pollute the planet, they should be destroyed!"
*years later, applies for manager of a Car Manufacturing plant* (I did say it was odd)
"If you got the job, would you strive to see the plant produce 1,000 cars a year?"
"Let me be clear when I say that cars are, in some people's minds, a necessity and that...."
"Just answer the question."

You get the point? He was strongly against them, publicly so, yet could now be in a position where he is EXPECTED to support their continued existance, contribute to their maintenance and consider their usage. Can we trust him to do that? That's the question, so far, he's dodging it.
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Yeah but it's nitpicking. It should be about us, not them. Also, we should be looking forward not back. I sucked a guy's cock in about 2004 but I'm not gay and haven't done it since. Should I be targeted by homophobes now? I've also said a few things in the past that I'd twat my old self for. Haven't we all?
P.S. If I could be bothered to vote it would be May cos I think she has a nice face. She looks a bit like my mum tbh.
 
Machiavelli said:
That's why I posted the picture, I couldn't be arsed with explaining it, so thanks.
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It was a strawman. The analogy was so you could understand the point about an armed soldier (not a medic) who is tasked with the duty of defending others by being willing to use a weapon designed to take the life of another with the aim of deterring others from persuing their actions to harm others on the basis that an armed soldier is willing to do so, and you used a pacifist to make a counter point?

It's like you intentionally didn't understand.
 
roj said:
Yeah but it's nitpicking. It should be about us, not them. Also, we should be looking forward not back. I sucked a guy's cock in about 2004 but I'm not gay and haven't done it since. Should I be targeted by homophobes now? I've also said a few things in the past that I'd twat my old self for. Haven't we all?
P.S. If I could be bothered to vote it would be May cos I think she has a nice face. She looks a bit like my mum tbh.
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Strange admission but anyway
 
roj said:
Yeah but it's nitpicking. It should be about us, not them. Also, we should be looking forward not back. I sucked a guy's cock in about 2004 but I'm not gay and haven't done it since. Should I be targeted by homophobes now? I've also said a few things in the past that I'd twat my old self for. Haven't we all?
P.S. If I could be bothered to vote it would be May cos I think she has a nice face. She looks a bit like my mum tbh.
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It's not nitpicking though is it, it's a serious matter about national defence and having a leader showing willingness to continue our nuclear deterrant stance as a sign of his leadership.

It's something Labour MP's do with Tory MP's often; they said this back in year nought plonk, and I disapprove of it! They must still believe it now! Pressure them on it!
He disapproved of Britain having a nuclear deterrant, now he's going to be in charge of them. Will he get rid of them? Would he use them? Answers please.
 
arbabarshad said:
Much easier to duck out than justifying the post I guess ! Using the medic example and talking about enemy knowing there will be no retribution, I wonder what context that is in.
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No, you just need to re-read the posts prior to it to understand the context. He used a pacifist as a counter point to an analogy to help explain the meaning as to why it's important to note that someone who vying for a job that will include being expected to use nuclear weapons if required has not yet stated whether he would.
 
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