General Election June 8th

Who will you vote for at the General Election?

  • Conservatives

    Votes: 189 28.8%

  • Labour

    Votes: 366 55.8%

  • Liberal Democrats

    Votes: 37 5.6%

  • SNP

    Votes: 8 1.2%

  • UKIP

    Votes: 23 3.5%

  • Other

    Votes: 33 5.0%
  • Total voters
    656
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Gabriel said:
Not seen much discussion about it here, and I haven't heard May questioned on what she intends to replace it with, or indeed how, but the Conservative Party manifesto contains a pledge to abolish the Fixed-term Parliaments Act.



https://www.theguardian.com/comment...d-the-constitution-what-does-she-mean-by-that
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I expect the system before it of calling an election anytime within 5 years without parliamemtry consent.

or maybe it's the first step to abolishing elections and having a permament dictatorial governmentas she has a bit of the adam susan about her.
 
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urban genie said:
I expect the system before it of calling an election anytime within 5 years without parliamemtry consent.

or maybe it's the first step to aboloshing elections and having a permament dictatorial governmentas she has a bit of the adam susan about her.
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Were it the former, then why not mention it in the manifesto? After all, it would simply appear like a return to 'tradition'.
The lack of detail does make me suspicious. I mean, it's not as if this policy even needs costing. :-)
 
Ric said:
Looks like a Conservative win is inevitable tomorrow, although the pollsters have got quite a few things wrong recently so we can but hope.

Either way, it's been a far more dignified and effective campaign from Corbyn than May, which seemed unlikely when the election was called. The left are in better shape than they have been for a few years, and the swingeing Tory cuts are coming under greater scrutiny. May's reputation has been badly damaged, and it wouldn't be a great surprise to see a leadership challenge before long.

Think the best we can hope for is that the young come out and vote in significant numbers, and the Conservatives don't get the greatly increased majority that they were expecting just a few weeks ago.
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That's about the long and the short of it. Corbyn has moved the centre of politics to the left, silenced the Blairites in his party (it is his party now) and he's assured of getting a left winger on the ballot for when he shuffles off.

May? She's finished...The first concession she makes in the Brexit negotiations, the first flush of euro shit she has to eat, the first payment we make to Brussels for crumbs off the table, the first major employer upping stumps and heading for the Czech Republic..... She's dead in the water.
 
Magicpole said:
The reason the SNP won 57 out of 59 seats last time is simply because all the thickos are in Scottish Labour.

You only have a right wing press demonising the SNP as they did with Corbyn. But, similar to Corbyn when people hear what they say rather than the shite rags like the Hate Mail et all portray them, they ignored these right wing lying racist scum bastards.

Same with Corbyn showing how easily fooled you all have been down there. Brainwashed I to believing voting in your own interest was wrong.

At least eyes have been opened and the press shown for what they are.

Utter lying cunts.
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I don't really see why people buy papers anymore unless they're from a generation of the past. They're all about telling you the version of events through their agenda so if that's you're only source you wouldn't see the flaws.

I don't think any mainstream papers are actually right wing. They just push certain ways of delivering news in order to manipulate by preying on basic human emotion.

There are a lot of thickos who go into politics in general though I'll agree if you're saying SNP are generally brighter and more intelligent. Do they demonise Sturgeon? Some papers may but in terms of television they give her more air time than the prime minister outside of election time, she's utterly irrelevant to England, Wales & N.I., she's not an MP. They don't have to demonise a woman with a clear agenda to break up the country to get people to sling insults at her or SNP.

Personally I think SNP's politics bar the hypothetical Scottish independence are probably closest to my views. They are spot on on so many things because they are normal, northern British folk and we all generally think alike on issues. It's their conning people of what Scottish identity is in an effort to bring about independence which makes me loathe them, they are utterly blinkered by it because there are significantly better ways to benefit Scotland's lot than through independence. They are also part of the Celtic League political movement which is complete and utter bullshit in it's agenda of self-determination. We all know there's a lot of SNP voters that don't want independence but have thrown their hat in with SNP for the time being.
 
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Gabriel said:
Were it the former, then why not mention it in the manifesto? After all, it would simply appear like a return to 'tradition'.
The lack of detail does make me suspicious. I mean, it's not as if this policy even needs costing. :-)
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I tell she gets in and it'll the start, they have already begun with the sick and disabled, the last 7 years, next it will be the old, minor religions and the left. ;-)



*This is tongue in cheekish btw before some start frothing at the suggestion.
 
I wish I shared your pessimism. I note the FTSE crashed through the 7500 mark pretty resoundingly, so there's a lot of market speculators not so confident right now. I am very twitchy about it myself. Would I be absolutely shocked if Labour won? No, I wouldn't.
 
Ric said:
Looks like a Conservative win is inevitable tomorrow, although the pollsters have got quite a few things wrong recently so we can but hope.

Either way, it's been a far more dignified and effective campaign from Corbyn than May, which seemed unlikely when the election was called. The left are in better shape than they have been for a few years, and the swingeing Tory cuts are coming under greater scrutiny. May's reputation has been badly damaged, and it wouldn't be a great surprise to see a leadership challenge before long.

Think the best we can hope for is that the young come out and vote in significant numbers, and the Conservatives don't get the greatly increased majority that they were expecting just a few weeks ago.
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Pretty much agree with everything you've posted there, mate.
 
Chippy_boy said:
I'm appalled at the services provided by some of the outsourced businesses to be fair. The cleaning services in the new Southmead hospital here in Bristol are a bloody disgrace. But they should have their feet held to the fire, with penalty clauses for underperformance so we get the services for free if they fuck up. They get away with murder because no-one gives a toss.
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its a private company and they would just declare bankruptcy and not provide any service
 
Chippy_boy said:
I don't have any problem with increased privatisation of services so long as it's quality service and free at the point of delivery. What's your problem with that exactly? When you do your knee in and the NHS says you need a ligament op and we're going to send you the Spire hospital up the road where they have great facilities and skills, what on earth is your problem?
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in the long run it will be more expensive
 
pirate said:
its a private company and they would just declare bankruptcy and not provide any service
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Do you work in any sort of commercial organisation? Are you aware that it is commonplace to outsource all sorts of services very successfully indeed. And that usually, the business concerned does actually do some sort of due diligence on the organisation they are engaging. I see no reason why the NHS must forever be incompetent at outsourcing. Hmmmm, then again, maybe you have a point...
 
Chippy_boy said:
The fact remains, there's a strong correlation between the lower paid and Labour voting intention, is there not. Haven't see too many Corbyn rallies in Ascot.

No-one wants an unfair society. But that does not mean we have to accept only your definition of what "fair" is. How much money you should steal (that's how I view it) off someone in taxation in order to give it to someone else, is a subjective judgement, not an objective one.

Everyone would agree 0% taxation was pretty unfair. Ditto 100%. The question is what is a fair balance inbetween. I get a bit pissed off to be honest with this lazy stereotypical Labour commentary that all Tories are evil, heartless bastards. (I am not saying you are suggesting it, but many on here have done.)

Most of my mates and work colleagues over the years have been Tories and I don't know an evil heartless bastard amongst any of them.

It is not morally superior to want to take more of someone's money off them.
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No one wants an unfair society but taxation is theft.
so how do have a fair society without taxation?

oh you dont mean that because you contradict that statement in the next paragraph, where you say there is a fair level of taxation, which cant be true if taxation is theft.

To be be fair I dont think all tories are evil. I think they are wrong. I think the outcome of their policies are in some cases evil. I think some tories are evil and know the outcome of their policies will be evil. I think the underlying Tory world view is that the poor are poor because they deserve to be and the rich are rich because they deserve to be.

Is it morally superior to want to keep more of your money by paying lower taxes,leading to death and suffering within this country?
 
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