General Election June 8th

[hilts]

That doesn't alter the fact that nearly all MPs mainly vote according to their party whip, not what's in the best interests of their constituents.

Don't get me started on party fucking whips

 

[jimharri]

If tonight turns into a clusterfuck for Labour (tory majority of, say, 60+), would Corbyn's position be under threat? Would he walk?

 

[CitizenTID]

That doesn't alter the fact that nearly all MPs mainly vote according to their party whip, not what's in the best interests of their constituents.

But voters vote based on that whip.

We need a reformed system to mitigate corruption though with more checks and balances, that is a definite. And the house of lords is utter bullshit, rich vs. poor form of control - remnant of feudalistic society.

 

[SWP's back]

fuck me swp, it was May's job to sort security. Her fucking job, what she got paid for, had power with and could have made a difference for the last 6 years. What the fuck has she done to make us all feel more secure ? Go on tell me. Her fucking job.

Do you feel less secure?

Who is in charge of transport? More people killed on the roads in the last month than in terror attacks in the last 12 years.

She's already said she will change the laws so that some of those on the watch list could be prosecuted.

 

[Len Rum]

No thats not me,i'm a labour member but i can't vote for corbyn and they are so far behind the tories here that it really won't matter anyway

JDI kaz.
Vote for your Local Labour MP then not Corbyn.
Tories are going to win but the % share of the national vote will be important, so every vote counts.

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

But voters vote based on that whip.

So voters don't elect someone to represent their best interests in Parliament?

 

[hilts]

It's more that older people haven't grown up with social media so aren't as connected to it.

I certainly think social media is changing things people overate the effect of newspapers and tv as influences but you would be surprised how many older folk use the internet. My mother is 70 and she is on social media a lot more than me simply because she has time. It's not a young persons game anymore.

All Tory voters were young once and just like the last election you don't get many getting vocal over them. I don't think as a party they are liked much. I'm amazed that labour doesn't take advantage. Blair did briefly.

 

[M18CTID]

Social media is predominantly inhabited by the young and the young predominantly vote Labour

Generally, yes, but on my FB it's mainly mid-30's and older yet plenty say they're voting Labour.

 

[Hamann Pineapple]

If tonight turns into a clusterfuck for Labour (tory majority of, say, 60+), would Corbyn's position be under threat? Would he walk?

He'll be too old by the next one, it's now or never to kill these fox hunting, pensioner murdering, poor depriving cunts

 

[hilts]

JDI kaz.
Vote for your Local Labour MP then not Corbyn.
Tories are going to win but the % share of the national vote will be important, so every vote counts.

Why do you think % of national vote is that important?

 

[Len Rum]

Do you feel less secure?

Who is in charge of transport? More people killed on the roads in the last month than in terror attacks in the last 12 years.

She's already said she will change the laws so that some of those on the watch list could be prosecuted.

She's a con artist.
Does nothing for seven years.
Then does sweet FA after the Westminster attack, nothing after Manchester, but then after London and five days before an election suddenly starts suggesting human rights changes when her manifesto had accepted the ECHR.

 

[ballinio]

But that is a healthy way to spread wealth across the breadth of the country. UKIP (as an example regardless of their policies) might not give a toss about Scotland - they could cripple Scottish economy with the policies they brought in (if in power)/voted for.

If you flip those figures around - does Scotland deserve 1 seat for their whole country because they have one of the smallest populations? Consider what their economy brings to the country - if there is only 1 person representing such a huge economy it could very quickly begin to decline (ignore Scottish parliament in this example).

Flipping the figures round is not right either but you can't deny that this system is crazy , 3.8m voters are not represented , is this democracy ?

 

[Len Rum]

Why do you think % of national vote is that important?

Because Mavis wants to claim some kind of Brexit mandate based not only on seats won but the % share of the national vote.

 

[Damocles]

If tonight turns into a clusterfuck for Labour (tory majority of, say, 60+), would Corbyn's position be under threat? Would he walk?

That would be a good night for Labour. 100 majority will be clusterfuck

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

Because Mavis wants to claim some kind of Brexit mandate based not only on seats won but the % share of the national vote.

It would also accentuate what a pile of bollocks our electoral system is.

 

[hilts]

But that is a healthy way to spread wealth across the breadth of the country. UKIP (as an example regardless of their policies) might not give a toss about Scotland - they could cripple Scottish economy with the policies they brought in (if in power)/voted for.

If you flip those figures around - does Scotland deserve 1 seat for their whole country because they have one of the smallest populations? Consider what their economy brings to the country - if there is only 1 person representing such a huge economy it could very quickly begin to decline (ignore Scottish parliament in this example).

The Scottish situation in general just adds to the nonsense plus they wouldn't be getting only 1 MP would they

 

[Rosler1985]

Voted.

Went in ready to vote for the Conservatives as I have in the last two General Elections and just as I was about to put an x on it had a massive change of heart.

Enjoy probably your only single vote in Swinton. Vincent Kompany.

 

[Stiff Little Wingers]

Why do you think % of national vote is that important?

It's important because of Brexit. On assumption most of us Labour are against hard brexit the country needs to hold Tories to some sort of account through grass roots and social media
Oh and don't vote for or against Corbyn- vote for or against the manifesto!! It's not BGT!!!!
From my very simplistic perspective it's a choice of voting for I or for We

 

[Damocles]

I certainly think social media is changing things people overate the effect of newspapers and tv as influences but you would be surprised how many older folk use the internet. My mother is 70 and she is on social media a lot more than me simply because she has time. It's not a young persons game anymore.

All Tory voters were young once and just like the last election you don't get many getting vocal over them. I don't think as a party they are liked much. I'm amazed that labour doesn't take advantage. Blair did briefly.

It's about 35% of the over 65s, 50% of 35-64 and 88% of 18-34s.

Usage of social media by the elderly is a major talking point at the moment in user interface design academic circles. We presume so much knowledge in how UX works from a user that older people jumping on have a learning curve.

But on topic, we do need another Blair.

 

[hilts]

Because Mavis wants to claim some kind of Brexit mandate based not only on seats won but the % share of the national vote.

The plain fact fella is if the Tories win they will be doing the brexit deal, the almighty shitstorm happens after. She called this election because she thought the victory would be easy