General transfer rumours

eversince 76 said:
Nolito's buyout clause didn't upset you? It's no more than part of negotiating what the contract should contain. You might find it ridiculous, there are many more aspects to creating a contract that you won't agree to. In the end club and player sign what they agree on knowing fully well the consequences.
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Nolito's buyout was fair...about right for his age.
 
LittleEgg said:
I'm talking about outrageous release clauses being used to lock players down, in theory they are not a bad thing, but in practise they are too easy to abuse. Yes it looks great when they sign and everything is rosy, but it wont be long before this starts causing headaches amongst players imo. Something very unsavory about it. Nothing as sad as an unhappy player who cant leave because of a ridiculous release clause, pricing the clause into the stratosphere is just wrong for the player.

I don't agree with them one bit, period. Spanish legal requirement or not...too easy for a club to do exactly what barca are doing with ter stegen. "oh well we have you under lock and key, get over it mate, or pay the exorbitant fee we have contracted you to".

I understand this is to protect the financial outlay of the owning club, but its going into ridiculous territory, and as i said, is far too easy to abuse on the back of a simple pay increase. Look at pogba as another example, IF he commits to the rags he will no doubt have a release clause of something crazy like £500m, and pretty much screw his chances of going to his dream club in the future, especially if he plays well.

Just set it at what you paid, or if they have improved since you signed them, then proportionately increased. But ter stegen 67 mil? PLeaaaaase...
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To me that's all bollocks mate. As pointed out to you in a previous post, players know exactly what they are signing up to. If they are not happy with the Ts & Cs, don't sign.
 
LittleEgg said:
I'm talking about outrageous release clauses being used to lock players down, in theory they are not a bad thing, but in practise they are too easy to abuse. Yes it looks great when they sign and everything is rosy, but it wont be long before this starts causing headaches amongst players imo. Something very unsavory about it. Nothing as sad as an unhappy player who cant leave because of a ridiculous release clause, pricing the clause into the stratosphere is just wrong for the player.

I don't agree with them one bit, period. Spanish legal requirement or not...too easy for a club to do exactly what barca are doing with ter stegen. "oh well we have you under lock and key, get over it mate, or pay the exorbitant fee we have contracted you to".

I understand this is to protect the financial outlay of the owning club, but its going into ridiculous territory, and as i said, is far too easy to abuse on the back of a simple pay increase. Look at pogba as another example, IF he commits to the rags he will no doubt have a release clause of something crazy like £500m, and pretty much screw his chances of going to his dream club in the future, especially if he plays well.

Just set it at what you paid, or if they have improved since you signed them, then proportionately increased. But ter stegen 67 mil? PLeaaaaase...
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Rubbish.
The majority of players in world football don't have a release clause so their club can refuse to let the them leave even if a club offers 200m. In effect, if the owning club so wishes, a player who doesn't have a release clause is not for sale even at the most ridiculous price.
The release clause is so the player can leave. It's in there for the player not the club.
 
LittleEgg said:
I'm talking about outrageous release clauses being used to lock players down, in theory they are not a bad thing, but in practise they are too easy to abuse. Yes it looks great when they sign and everything is rosy, but it wont be long before this starts causing headaches amongst players imo. Something very unsavory about it. Nothing as sad as an unhappy player who cant leave because of a ridiculous release clause, pricing the clause into the stratosphere is just wrong for the player.

I don't agree with them one bit, period. Spanish legal requirement or not...too easy for a club to do exactly what barca are doing with ter stegen. "oh well we have you under lock and key, get over it mate, or pay the exorbitant fee we have contracted you to".

I understand this is to protect the financial outlay of the owning club, but its going into ridiculous territory, and as i said, is far too easy to abuse on the back of a simple pay increase. Look at pogba as another example, IF he commits to the rags he will no doubt have a release clause of something crazy like £500m, and pretty much screw his chances of going to his dream club in the future, especially if he plays well.

Just set it at what you paid, or if they have improved since you signed them, then proportionately increased. But ter stegen 67 mil? PLeaaaaase...
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Buy out clauses are just numbers, they don't actually mean anything (Jesé Rodriguez buy-out clause was €200M but he's just been sold to PSG for €25M), although I suppose English clubs getting Silva, Aguero, Costa, De Gea, Mata and Cazorla for less than £150M meant they were going to try something!
If Seville offer €80M for Ter Stegen, they have to sell him (if the player wants to go, obviously). If City offer €80M they don't have to sell him as they're only binding between Spanish clubs. If Ter Stegen deposits €80M into the Barca account they have to let him leave (as with Herrera to the rags and Martinez to Munich). The reality is that the buying clubs pay the 'buy-out' but also have to pay VAT (20%) AND the Spanish tax will want 52% of the money deposited (as its been 'given' to the player by the buying club.
It's no different to Everton saying £50M for Stones or £75M for Lukaku. Where have those 'valuations' come from? They've made it up, just like the buy out clauses.
 
LittleEgg said:
I'm talking about outrageous release clauses being used to lock players down, in theory they are not a bad thing, but in practise they are too easy to abuse. Yes it looks great when they sign and everything is rosy, but it wont be long before this starts causing headaches amongst players imo. Something very unsavory about it. Nothing as sad as an unhappy player who cant leave because of a ridiculous release clause, pricing the clause into the stratosphere is just wrong for the player.

I don't agree with them one bit, period. Spanish legal requirement or not...too easy for a club to do exactly what barca are doing with ter stegen. "oh well we have you under lock and key, get over it mate, or pay the exorbitant fee we have contracted you to".

I understand this is to protect the financial outlay of the owning club, but its going into ridiculous territory, and as i said, is far too easy to abuse on the back of a simple pay increase. Look at pogba as another example, IF he commits to the rags he will no doubt have a release clause of something crazy like £500m, and pretty much screw his chances of going to his dream club in the future, especially if he plays well.

Just set it at what you paid, or if they have improved since you signed them, then proportionately increased. But ter stegen 67 mil? PLeaaaaase...
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So by your rationale it's ok for someone to get a short term loan on a high interest rate, agree the terms with the lender then turn around half way through and say "do you know what I don't like this high interest rate so I'm not going to pay." Tell me what is the point of having a contract in the first place?

On the ter stegen deal, if you think that contract was signed by the player without the terms being agreed first with his agent and a team of financial advisors/lawyers then sorry, but you are naive in the extreme.

If the player wanted a £12m buyout clause he should have instructed his agent to negotiate that. If he couldn't then go to another club that will.
 
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