George Floyd murder | Clashes between US police and protestors

[Aguero_Element]

One thing to keep in mind is a main objective of "the government" is to make so protesting or threatening to group up for change is not possible.
It isnt feasible for them - think about the corruption and hypocrisy you see in government politics and foriegn policy. A climate where the public can unite for change is not something tolerated - especially rioting, which gives the perfect platform to codemn and impose the nanny state ideology.

 

[Trevor Morley's Tache]

Posted this after you quoted me:

"In one video, some **** came to the Chicago protest armed with machine gun despite open carry being illegal in Illinois. Police just politely speaks with him and he freely walks away. If that was a black man, he'd at least had 10 guns pointed at him."

- It's pathetic that some people still pretends there are no two laws. One for white Americans and one for the rest.

There is a YouTube video knocking about (which I think I've posted on BM somewhere), in which a white guy and a black guy do a social experiment with open carry. The basic premise is that each of them walk down a street with an assault rifle slung over their shoulder to see what the difference in outcomes would be.

Basically, for the white guy he gets stopped by a single patrol officer and briefly questioned, given a bit of a lecture and sent on his way. The officer did not draw his own weapon and was not aggressive in any way.

The black guy was lucky not to get shot. 1st car pulls up, officer leaps out weapon drawn, the guy was on his knees, rifle on the floor held at gunpoint until 2 other police cars turned up. He was then cuffed and placed face down on the floor whilst the officers checked his credentials.

It was an open carry state and both guys had clean criminal records and legally held firearms.

 

[mancity2012_eamo]

There is a YouTube video knocking about (which I think I've posted on BM somewhere), in which a white guy and a black guy do a social experiment with open carry. The basic premise is that each of them walk down a street with an assault rifle slung over their shoulder to see what the difference in outcomes would be.

Basically, for the white guy he gets stopped by a single patrol officer and briefly questioned, given a bit of a lecture and sent on his way. The officer did not draw his own weapon and was not aggressive in any way.

The black guy was lucky not to get shot. 1st car pulls up, officer leaps out weapon drawn, the guy was on his knees, rifle on the floor held at gunpoint until 2 other police cars turned up. He was then cuffed and placed face down on the floor whilst the officers checked his credentials.

It was an open carry state and both guys had clean criminal records and legally held firearms.

Have seen it a couple of times.
Not only that, but the black guy cooperates with the police requests, which are in actuality demands.
The female filming probably prevents him from being treated even worse.

The white guys refuse under their constitutional rights to show identification. They start quoting the law and what the cops can and cannot do and the cop seems confused as to what to do, but basically sends them on their way.

 

[Tim of the Oak]

this is bollox. People just baiting police all the time with their camera phones out.

The dog isn’t racists but he/she knows how to go after an arsehole

 

[Tim of the Oak]

It's always worth remembering that absolutely everything you've seen over the past week has escalated from a single allegation that a man tried to pay with a fake $20. The police through their deliberate policy of escalating violence have gone from arresting someone for using a fake $20, to shooting unarmed people in the streets en masse.

Plus the looters have to take responsibility for the people they have lynched.

 

[domalino]

It definitely does. In the US it is a cultural and societal problem pushed by the fact that guns are so often involved. Teaching people that carrying guns is okay breeds violence, it also breeds mistrust in the fact that you need a gun to protect yourself which is the number one reason for gun possession.

The police in the US have a very difficult job, they have to avoid using violence when they know full well that in many cases the guys they are persecuting will likely be armed and willing to fire. Of course though, the guy that killed Floyd was completely wrong and should be jailed, there is no defending that. The circumstances these guys work in though is just incredibly difficult.

Let's put it another way - 2 police officers have been shot and killed in these protests and no-one even cares, that is how difficult their job is.

Take the guns away and you no longer have the spark that is driving this entire thing.

Nedum Onuaha spoke about this yesterday. He said that basically hes a bit wary of the police in the UK, but he fears the police in the USA because any incident is likely to be fatal.

 

[inbetween]

Nedum Onuaha spoke about this yesterday. He said that basically hes a bit wary of the police in the UK, but he fears the police in the USA because any incident is likely to be fatal.

That isn't true, statistically it is very unlikely that the incident will be fatal.

236 black people were killed by the police last year in the US (with guns obviously).

If you read about every single one it will state "suspect was armed with a gun".

https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2019/national/police-shootings-2019/

The exact same applies to the 370 white people that were killed and the 160 hispanic people.

The overriding repetive factor in 99% of fatal killings is ALWAYS the same and it is guns, not race.

 

[domalino]

That isn't true, statistically it is very unlikely that the incident will be fatal.

236 black people were killed by the police last year in the US (with guns obviously).

If you read about every single one it will state "suspect was armed with a gun".

https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2019/national/police-shootings-2019/

The exact same applies to the 370 white people that were killed and the 160 hispanic people.

The overriding repetive factor in 99% of fatal killings is ALWAYS the same and it is guns, not race.

So the minority that makes up 13% of the population makes up 31% of the people killed by police.

But not only that, they make up 39% of people killed by police while not attacking.

And that's from police data. If the last 6 days has taught you a single thing, it should be that the police lie as an institution to protect themselves. So we know that data isn't the truth.

 

[Man_City_Loyal]

So the minority that makes up 13% of the population makes up 31% of the people killed by police.

That isn't true, statistically it is very unlikely that the incident will be fatal.

236 black people were killed by the police last year in the US (with guns obviously).

If you read about every single one it will state "suspect was armed with a gun".

https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2019/national/police-shootings-2019/

The exact same applies to the 370 white people that were killed and the 160 hispanic people.

The overriding repetive factor in 99% of fatal killings is ALWAYS the same and it is guns, not race.

I am just glad we don't have Police over here holding guns as a standard.

I have had various run in's with the police over the time I have been on this earth, but that is my own fault.

Think the closest to a gun I have had pointed at me is a Tazer gun

 

[inbetween]

So the minority that makes up 13% of the population makes up 31% of the people killed by police.

Yeah I understand that but I think your missing the antagonist in this which is the fact that most of those shot were carrying weapons.

Why were they carrying weapons to get themselves shot? Were they law abiding citizens?

Let's contrast this to the UK where only 3 people were killed by the police in total last year..... Are our police less racist then?

Absolutely not and who knows, it's just that guns aren't legal here so you won't get shot for carrying one or pointing them back!