George Floyd murder | Clashes between US police and protestors

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basokla said:
Oh I don’t know. Perhaps shots fired nearby. And the possibility of fake credentials.

Who knows?
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If it was a single incident, you might have a point. But there are now hundreds of videos of police needlessly escalating violence or responding violently to peaceful protesters or members of the media doing their jobs. And it seems to come down to how they've been trained. American cops seem to be taught to go into every situation and encounter as if their life is at risk.

But the problem with this incident is that it is an exact copy of the attitude, if not the actions, that caused George Floyd's death in the first place. This idea that you can clearly have someone restrained and compliant, and you are then still justified in continuing to commit violence against them.
 
I'm With Stupid said:
If it was a single incident, you might have a point. But there are now hundreds of videos of police needlessly escalating violence or responding violently to peaceful protesters or members of the media doing their jobs. And it seems to come down to how they've been trained. American cops seem to be taught to go into every situation and encounter as if their life is at risk.

But the problem with this incident is that it is an exact copy of the attitude, if not the actions, that caused George Floyd's death in the first place. This idea that you can clearly have someone restrained and compliant, and you are then still justified in continuing to commit violence against them.
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He wouldnt' have a point. Neither of those scenarios justify shooting a person already on the floor and complying with pepper spray.
 
domalino said:
He wouldnt' have a point. Neither of those scenarios justify shooting a person already on the floor and complying with pepper spray.
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I meant he might have a point about the reason for the media being told the get down in the first place. But yeah, you're right.

We've seen this so many times in other protests. Pepper spray, tasers, and so on, were always sold to us as an alternative to having to shoot someone. They're for the protection of officers who would otherwise have to use guns to protect themselves. But more often than not, we see them, and other forms of violence, being used against people who are simply non-compliant, not actually a threat. A protester won't move? Give them a swift kick, a hit of pepper spray or a rubber bullet (or often point a real gun at them and get surprised when people panic and act in a way that then results in them getting shot).

 
#alllivesmater is trending. With one T. It's almost a parody at this point.

Admittedly it's mainly now trending because of everyone pointing out how stupid they are, but still.
 
An excellent evidence-based thread on how to cut police violence:



Highlights: body cams do nothing to cut police violence, getting rid of military weaponry does, unions actively work to reinstate bad cops, stricter rules of engagement cut shootings.
 
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