George Floyd murder | Clashes between US police and protestors

[Trevor Morley's Tache]

No.

No, I haven't told anyone how they should vote, at all.

I have merely pointed out that Biden helped the US get to this point and the Dems have forced Biden as the answer.

Is that so difficult to absorb?

This election was ALWAYS about removing Trump, and Bernie Sanders would not have beaten Trump. Biden might not, but he stands a far better chance than Bernie.

Is that so difficult to absorb?

 

[Ardwick Green Blue]

No, I mean the UK.

As a non-legal observer I have seen lots of cases over the years in which I would have thought that a guilty of murder verdict would be delivered and instead it has been manslaughter. It has always seemed like a very high bar tbh

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

As a non-legal observer I have seen lots of cases over the years in which I would have thought that a guilty of murder verdict would be delivered and instead it has been manslaughter. It has always seemed like a very high bar tbh

The mens rea (mental element) for murder is to intend to kill or cause really serious harm (GBH) resulting in death. I believe this dates back to the 19th century and is there for perfectly acceptable and reasonable public policy reasons. Proving intent to kill is not always straightforward. Manslaughter is more complicated, but at its most simplistic level requires the intent to cause some harm resulting in death - like ABH for example. A good example being a ‘one-punch manslaughter’ outside a pub.

if the George Floyd case was tried here, a jury would be perfectly entitled to conclude thst the officer intended to cause Floyd really serious harm when he put his knee on his neck from 8 minutes. I think a manslaughter verdict would be the most likely though.

 

[Trevor Morley's Tache]

 

[FogBlueInSanFran]

Antifa and the black power for example causing alot of aggression.

What are you talking about?

 

[Bigga]

I am referring to some of the protesters as jackasses, because they are jackasses. The fact that they are protesting isn't why I am calling them jackasses though, yet you seem intent on trying to twist it that way, as you usually try and twist things to suit your terrible points.

And no, I haven't seen Bidens enthusiasm poll, because what the fuck is an enthusiasm poll and who the fuck gives a shit about such nonsense? Of course Trumps enthusiasm score is higher, people who support him are zealots ffs. What a ridiculous thing to judge someone on.

You don't vote for someone because they are exciting, you vote for them because they are the best of the available options. Refusing to vote is an act of outright cowardice and people who do it are as complicit in the rise of tyrants as those who vote for them.

The problem with nutters like you is that you want change but are unwilling to actually work for it, do the hard yards and take the massive amount of time it takes to slowly change things. So instead just run around yelling about revolution, wanting society to somehow radically change over night, when that will literally never happen. Pie in the sky bullshit

The hard yards...? What, like this...?

Wait your turn, eh, as there's more important things to deal with.

 

[bluemcr]

What are you talking about?

I'm saying anti facist movement antifa are behind these riots stiring it up

 

[Bigga]

Yes; your rather ironic "binary" vision.

Once again for all your bluster there's very little substance in the end. Your proclamations of a grander understanding of everything always reverts to "Biden lovers" on the other side. You're as closed off to things as those you're constantly chastising for allegedly being.

"Hypocrisy thy name is you"

Neolibs/ Dem supporters, then.

Hope you're happy.

Am I closed off to the neolibs and the GOP looting the taxpayer rather than move them forward as a society?

Yeah, I am.

 

[Bigga]

This election was ALWAYS about removing Trump, and Bernie Sanders would not have beaten Trump. Biden might not, but he stands a far better chance than Bernie.

Is that so difficult to absorb?

I'm sure you've seen the flames in the cities.

Saying Sanders would not have beaten the pres with such stark opposing policies would be you having a laugh.

The US older demographic are scared to move forward as they're brainwashed to think that way forward is communism.

Look at the US streets.

 

[FogBlueInSanFran]

I'm saying anti facist movement antifa are behind these riots stiring it up

Oh. And “The Black Power” also, then? Not familiar with them — who are they?