George Floyd murder | Clashes between US police and protestors

[I'm With Stupid]

“10yrs of petty crimes which the system failed to stop”... oh do give your head a shake. You sound like a fucking Liverpool fan. Blaming everyone else in sight.

Another case of simplistic thinking about a complex issue. You should vote for Trump.

 

[Kinkladze 1]

Another case of simplistic thinking about a complex issue. You should vote for Trump.

Nah, he’s an absolute embarrassment. So you blame 1) the system and 2) trump for him being a criminal then? What about actually blaming him for being a criminal? Which he was. So I’m not speaking out of turn before people start wetting their knickers.

 

[inchy14]

Nah, he’s an absolute embarrassment. So you blame 1) the system and 2) trump for him being a criminal then? What about actually blaming him for being a criminal? Which he was. So I’m not speaking out of turn before people start wetting their knickers.

Ex-criminal..... a point you seem to want to ignore

 

[Ric]

Nah, he’s an absolute embarrassment. So you blame 1) the system and 2) trump for him being a criminal then? What about actually blaming him for being a criminal? Which he was. So I’m not speaking out of turn before people start wetting their knickers.

Seen a few people mention his previous conviction (for which he had served his time and was seemingly rehabilitated) but don’t think it’s really relevant here. It doesn’t in any way justify the treatment he was subjected to.

 

[Tugay One Cup]

People seem to be under the impression that these protests are happening solely because of the murder of George Floyd.

People also seem to be under the impression that you can avoid being murdered by the police as long as you comply with the law.

I'm wondering if these people have ever heard of the likes of Botham Jean and Breonna Taylor.

This has been happening for fucking decades, George Floyd is just the latest high profile case because it was "fortunately" caught on camera and shared for the world to see.

The fact that some people are adamant on partly blaming Floyd because of an accusation of him being in possession of a fake $20 and insisting on calling him a criminal is absolutely pathetic.

 

[blueinsa]

Seen a few people mention his previous conviction (for which he had served his time and was seemingly rehabilitated) but don’t think it’s really relevant here. It doesn’t in any way justify the treatment he was subjected to.

Fake bank notes or he has just murdered someone, it matters not a jot. The police act professionally and proportionately and arrest him and the justice system deals with him.

Summary roadside executions which this was are not and never will be acceptable.

"Serve and protect"

 

[daztrueblue91]

It has been repeated on CNN a few times

He was a violent criminal who had served seven yrs,it doesn't take much more to make up my mind and he had fake money

That is not the point though,he did not deserve to die at all let alone like that,that is not my point ,i feel as sick as any other right minded person ,
if this changes peoples lives for the better then it will not have been in vain,i am not comfortable with his angel image I suppose

As I said,i separate the murder from my uncomfortable feelings about the other things that I mentioned,i am not sure an armed robber should be getting a police escort to his funeral by cops,some of whom have probably roughed up black and ethnic for years

Something about the cops all acting that they are the only bad apples in the forces also doesn't sit right

Just musing in my current all over the place mood

George Floyd now has a legacy that goes far beyond his life. He is the current representation of police brutality to black people in America.

His funeral will contain thousands of people attending to support the message that black lives matter.

The police escort will be to ensure that it is a peaceful event.

 

[Dubai Blue]

I see we're entering the inevitable next phase that always happens in cases like this where people start dragging up previous criminal records and rolling out tired old bullshit like "Obviously I don't condone what the police did, but if he hadn't been committing a crime, none of this would have happened."

Let's be clear on this... If you say something like the above, you ARE condoning that behaviour - or at least seeking to justify/mitigate it in some way. Why else would you even mention it? It serves no other purpose than being an attempt to cloud judgement.

And for those of you banging on about counterfeit money as though he had a suitcase full of it in the boot of his car, every single one of us will have bought something with a forged banknote at least once in our lives. Every single one of us!

 

[inbetween]

I know that our police are not even close to perfect, but I do feel like after watching a week of genuine police brutality towards all protesters and the media in the USA, people protesting here should be really thankful that we don't arm our police like the Americans with military equipment.

Ultimately people in the USA would dream about getting policed like we do...I don't know, maybe that's just my experience and others know better.

This is how protesters in the UK treat our unarmed police.

In my mind looking at this, they haven't been armed enough.

 

[daztrueblue91]

Fake bank notes or he has just murdered someone, it matters not a jot. The price act professionally and proportionately and arrest him and the justice system deals with him.

Summary roadside executions which this was are not and never will be acceptable.

"Serve and protect"

I totally agree and whilst the footage of George Floyd’s murder was abhorrent, an even bigger issue for me was the way the other cops just turned a blind eye to it.

It shows that there is a lack of training and a form of brotherhood/loyalty that allows systematic racism to flourish. If cops, who work to protect the community, are not willing to report or stand up to bad policing, then there is no hope for the standards to improve.

Charging all of the officers present at Floyd’s murder tells the police that they are accountable. Let’s see if cops continue to turn a blind eye to police brutality when Know that they can be held accountable.

 

[bert38]

I'm biased but Police in this country are almost second to none in the world. Selection/training all top quality. There has been a political erosion of pay and conditions over the last decade which has really not helped the individual or each force-for example, community policing is vital in developing relationships but because its not quantifiable, it has all but disappeared.

That said last night's policing response showed the police in a v positive light-public order tactics which enable peaceful protest.

There are clearly deeper problems in the US-but these aren't simply police problems, they run so much deeper in society.

What I would say about that particular case is police here are taught about the dangers of positional asphyxia-if someone is intoxicated, under the influence or is of larger build there is a real risk to someone's life if they are pinned face down for any length of time. It is often necessary to do that but once control is gained you must move the person onto their side or back.

 

[Dubai Blue]

What I would say about that particular case is police here are taught about the dangers of positional asphyxia-if someone is intoxicated, under the influence or is of larger build there is a real risk to someone's life if they are pinned face down for any length of time. It is often necessary to do that but once control is gained you must move the person onto their side or back.

That's interesting, because apparently one of the officers in the Floyd case (Thomans Lane, a rookie cop who was still in his probationary period) can be heard on one of the videos asking Chauvin if they should be moving him onto his side now. Chauvin, the more senior officer, said no and proceeded to kill him. So, that suggests that Lane, at least, was fully aware of the training you've mentioned above.

 

[Vicious111]

I'm biased but Police in this country are almost second to none in the world. Selection/training all top quality. There has been a political erosion of pay and conditions over the last decade which has really not helped the individual or each force-for example, community policing is vital in developing relationships but because its not quantifiable, it has all but disappeared.

That said last night's policing response showed the police in a v positive light-public order tactics which enable peaceful protest.

There are clearly deeper problems in the US-but these aren't simply police problems, they run so much deeper in society.

What I would say about that particular case is police here are taught about the dangers of positional asphyxia-if someone is intoxicated, under the influence or is of larger build there is a real risk to someone's life if they are pinned face down for any length of time. It is often necessary to do that but once control is gained you must move the person onto their side or back.

I agree. nowadays.

But it was not so long ago that Margaret Thatcher turned the police against the coal miners and caused irrepairable damage to the credibility of the police image. The police, in my opinion, are still trying to recover their reputation and credibility somewhat from that and there is still an element of deep rooted mistrust is the poorer areas around the UK.

Something to consider when we claim to be nothing like the US.

 

[bert38]

I agree. nowadays.

But it was not so long ago that Margaret Thatcher turned the police against the coal miners and caused irrepairable damage to the credibility of the police image. The police, in my opinion, are still trying to recover their reputation and credibility somewhat from that and there is still an element of deep rooted mistrust is the poorer areas around the UK.

Something to consider when we claim to be nothing like the US.

But the sole answer isn't policing-yes, community policing helps, enagaing with communties, breaking down barriers; but the real solution is much harder-its about investment in those areas, education, inclusion-locking people up is only a short term solution.

*these are my personal views*

 

[bert38]

That's interesting, because apparently one of the officers in the Floyd case (Thomans Lane, a rookie cop who was still in his probationary period) can be heard on one of the videos asking Chauvin if they should be moving him onto his side now. Chauvin, the more senior officer, said no and proceeded to kill him. So, that suggests that Lane, at least, was fully aware of the training you've mentioned above.

I can only say how police are taught here-but it is unimagineable that US officers are not taught the same. There is nothing wrong with using your body to control someone who is non compliant but you have to be aware when the problem shifts from control to endangering somebody's safety.

 

[mike1923]

Lucky to have the police we do over here. By and large (except for football games, oddly) they are fantastic

 

[Vialli98]

Drew Brees appears to be in hot water after rather surprisingly misguided take






Brees appears to be a genuine passionate person, who is charitable and, more importantly, socially aware and understanding. He is, by all accounts, a huge asset to the city of New Orleans. It is precisely because of this that his misguided comments, obfuscating the real intentions behind Kaepernick's protest is disappointing eliciting such a visceral reaction. Several teammates have called him out, including Jenkins above, and the 2nd most important player on the team Michael Thomas.


https://twitter.com/Cantguardmike/status/1268240391561773057

 

[Dubai Blue]

I can only say how police are taught here-but it is unimagineable that US officers are not taught the same. There is nothing wrong with using your body to control someone who is non compliant but you have to be aware when the problem shifts from control to endangering somebody's safety.

It'll all come out in the trial, but I suspect "career fear" will have played a considerable role in the complicit behaviour of the two rookie cops (Lane and Kueng). It will certainly be their defence, anyway. They'll have known all about Chauvin's reputation. He had 18 complaints against him; yet here he is, still a serving police officer and still roughing up suspects.

Of course, it may turn out that Lane and Kueng are just a pair of psychopaths. But it does show how intimidating it must be for a "good cop" to turn on a "bad cop" when that bad cop has managed to hang around for so long whilst repeatedly behaving like a complete ****. Stating the obvious here, but their disciplinary procedures need a drastic overhaul!

 

[Bigga]

So do we make a separate thread for the London events? So predictable, said it would happen on Monday.

Now, THEY are fucking idiots.

I'm ashamed of them.

 

[bluemcr]

A friend messaged me this video, YT keeps taking it down. It's from 2017

Is this guy a conspiracy nut? Or is he bang on the money?

Interesting video maybe the truth who knows. Mentions the Clintons and Soros collaborating together.