I'm a bit of a lefty, and rather than argue with anyone I would just urge you all to do your own research on the BLM mvt in the states and realises what is behind the headline message of saving black lives.The silence from some of the more prominent left leaning posters on this subject is deafening. Those who fling accusations of racism on the basis someone did,nt vote remain and for the Tramp are now getting it back.
I note that the vast majority who were out and about were young, what a shame that they did not wait, those crowds would have been twice the size and more of all colours and ages. What a statement that would have made. In someways an opportunity lost to have harvested massive support from across the population gone.
Not really.
You could argue the same for any event.
Point is we are all told to do these things regardless and be individually and socially responsible and follow the guidelines.
Self regulation is being relied on.
My parents aren’t alive but my wife’s are and both are in the extremely vulnerable category. She works in IKea and they open next week.
She does carer for her Dad also and she has no control over anyone who comes into that shop next week. Doesn’t know where they’ve been, who they’ve been in contact with at whatever event.
Get the picture.
It’s not unique. Everyone has a story.
Personally although I have empathy for the cause, I don’t think those that called for the march thought through any other expression of solidarity that would be more socially beneficial in this pandemic lockdown.
Can you give me the lottery numbers for next month, please?
Thanks.
How do you know that any of those people pick up COVID the next day AFTER attending the protest? You don't.
What a stupid leap of thought!
Can you give me the lottery numbers for next month, please?
Thanks.
How do you know that any of those people pick up COVID the next day AFTER attending the protest? You don't.
What a stupid leap of thought!
It was unfortunate, but there was clearly no malice intended. I find the lack of perspective around a faux pas (and the subsequent faux outrage) like this a little troubling. People need to be careful around their language but the feeding frenzy that follows if someone falters is invariably ugly.It makes for very awkward viewing. But apparently it's from 5 years ago.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...o-fair-skinned-twin-says-she-is-10210768.html
The apology itself is a bit of a weird one, but the twins themselves were willing to give her the benefit of the doubt. And she does seem to have an "Oh shit, that's not how it was meant to sound" moment right after saying it!
One of the leaders yesterday on Sky news did just that and huge credit to him.
He made it very clear that there where elements within the protest that had fuck all to do with BLM and everything to do with just wanting to cause trouble with the police.
If self regulation is all that’s needed we might as well return to normality.You started your argument on an assumptive premise and blanketed all the protesters with the same accusation.
Not sure why your wife has anything to do with the discussion, but it will be her to attend to her own protection as best she can, so washing hands, changing clothes and showering is on her, is it not?
Self regulation as you say and I said.
is it not stupid to protest during a pandemic ?,they put themselves at risk as well as people they live and work with,they have given themselves more chance of catching and spreading and surely that is wrong, people agree with the BLM well any normanl people do,but to put the whole country at risk was fucking stupid,your attitude is black lives matter but fuck the consequences .Can you give me the lottery numbers for next month, please?
Thanks.
How do you know that any of those people pick up COVID the next day AFTER attending the protest? You don't.
What a stupid leap of thought!
My take on a few thinhs seeing as us lefties are apparently silent.
Black live matter that is a fact and black communties not just in the US but here, france, Italy and more globally suffer from institutuinal racism and bigotry, and yes racism exist is most communites who will have some in that community that harbour racial intollerance of others
However as most institutions are built and set up through centuries of western global colonisation and influence there is still racism and discrimination to ethnic minotrities deep within society either ditectly or indirectly.
And yes as a multicultural nation we have progressed well from the past, and a lot of racial tollerance and unity does exist, but when prominent racists like farage, johnson and and yaxley-lennon are considered as people with valid arguements and given platforms you also see where we have stepped back also.
Also for those saying what about white people oppressed it is true that until as recently as last century this instutuinal prejudice spanned into white and religious communities like the Irish, catholics, the working class poor who were considered second class or inferior.
But honestly as a white working class catholic of Irish decent I can walk down any street in this country and know I will not be stopped, searched or suspected of being a criminal, every member of the black community has that worry and for many it will have happened several times.
The only time I have been harassed by the police is as a football fan who are treated like criminals by the police, but even then colour of your skin doesn't come into it as football fans are considered as potential hooligans first and citizens second
On the protests they have to happen now as the subject would be marginanlidlsed once it dies down and again be forgotten until the next time.
The pandemic though is an issue and really I do think to social distance the protests need to be spread amongst the bouroughs not one centralised one in town as people form all over the region traveled in and so social distancing is imposible.
A protest in bury, bolton, oldham etc to keep numbers down but I doubt police and councils wouldn't allow it.
Om the horse incident the dick that threw the bicicyle is as much a dick as the geordie who punched a horse. But in the year 2020 why the fuck are we still using police horses inthe first place
If self regulation is all that’s needed we might as well return to normality.
Fair play to him. I imagine the organisers are pretty pissed off with those who attacked the police. It tarnishes the movement as a whole and detracts from the message they are trying to get across. Glad that there was no trouble at the Manchester protest, as far as I’m aware at least.One of the leaders yesterday on Sky news did just that and huge credit to him.
He made it very clear that there where elements within the protest that had fuck all to do with BLM and everything to do with just wanting to cause trouble with the police.
You normally write decent posts but with all respect that's a pile of Horse shit bud.
is it not stupid to protest during a pandemic ?,they put themselves at risk as well as people they live and work with,they have given themselves more chance of catching and spreading and surely that is wrong, people agree with the BLM well any normanl people do,but to put the whole country at risk was fucking stupid,your attitude is black lives matter but fuck the consequences .
Which part?
The saying I agree with BLM?
That I believe black comunities suffer more institutional racism and are stoped and seached more.
That racism exists globally in some part in most communities.
That I only suffer any form of prejudice from the police when at football, paticullary as an away fan unlike many BAME communities
That throwing a bike at a police horse is a dickhead move.
Or that the protest would be better spread out so we can social distance more
Or that farage amd johnson are racist?
My take on a few thinhs seeing as us lefties are apparently silent.
Black live matter that is a fact and black communties not just in the US but here, france, Italy and more globally suffer from institutuinal racism and bigotry, and yes racism exist is most communites who will have some in that community that harbour racial intollerance of others
However as most institutions are built and set up through centuries of western global colonisation and influence there is still racism and discrimination to ethnic minotrities deep within society either ditectly or indirectly.
And yes as a multicultural nation we have progressed well from the past, and a lot of racial tollerance and unity does exist, but when prominent racists like farage, johnson and and yaxley-lennon are considered as people with valid arguements and given platforms you also see where we have stepped back also.
Also for those saying what about white people oppressed it is true that until as recently as last century this instutuinal prejudice spanned into white and religious communities like the Irish, catholics, the working class poor who were considered second class or inferior.
But honestly as a white working class catholic of Irish decent I can walk down any street in this country and know I will not be stopped, searched or suspected of being a criminal, every member of the black community has that worry and for many it will have happened several times.
The only time I have been harassed by the police is as a football fan who are treated like criminals by the police, but even then colour of your skin doesn't come into it as football fans are considered as potential hooligans first and citizens second
On the protests they have to happen now as the subject would be marginanlidlsed once it dies down and again be forgotten until the next time.
The pandemic though is an issue and really I do think to social distance the protests need to be spread amongst the bouroughs not one centralised one in town as people form all over the region traveled in and so social distancing is imposible.
A protest in bury, bolton, oldham etc to keep numbers down but I doubt police and councils wouldn't allow it.
Om the horse incident the dick that threw the bicicyle is as much a dick as the geordie who punched a horse. But in the year 2020 why the fuck are we still using police horses inthe first place
Fair play to him. I imagine the organisers are pretty pissed off with those who attacked the police. It tarnishes the movement as a whole and detracts from the message they are trying to get across. Glad that there was no trouble at the Manchester protest, as far as I’m aware at least.
All fair comment.
Only thing I will question is that these protests should not be taking place on account of what happened in the States. What happens there is their problem and innocent lives here should not have been put on the line here.
Clearly there are still issues in this country despite clear progress over the years. The timing of this will have lost support rather than gained it. One month from now it might be safer, maybe 2 months, and a well organised awareness day at that point I am sure would have brought many more across the whole spectrum out on the streets in my view.
Yes there are still racists in Britain and always will be...of all colours and religions, but there are a very vast majority who are not, most really do not give a fuck what colour or religion or sexual preference another person is. Like the racists who voted for Brexit, like the idiots who kicked off yesterday, they are a minority, they are not the seething masses that the left has tried to portray.
Which part?
The saying I agree with BLM?
That I believe black comunities suffer more institutional raciam and are stoped and seached more.
That racism exists globally in most communities.
That I only suffer any form of prejudice from the police when at football, paticullary as an away fan.
That throwing a bike at a police horse is a dickhead move.
Or that the protest would be better spread out so we can social distance more
Or that farage amd johnson are racist?