George Floyd murder | Clashes between US police and protestors

[PannickAtTheDisco]

I find it a shame that all this has quickly turned into a tool for people to complain and whinge about people daring to celebrate their history and the sacrifices made to ensure that they can live comfortably, free and have the right to whinge about it from their unearned, privileged position where they benefit from all the good and bad things happened in history to progress society to this position.

Ideological vegans.

 

[PannickAtTheDisco]

On a side note, I don't have a problem with private enterprises deciding what content they want to include on their channel.

 

[Tim of the Oak]

If our history was taught properly and not focused on myths of exceptionalism then the people of our country might understand, until then though as long as we media banging on about "Dunkirk" spirit, Churchillian myths winning the war etc we have no chance.

I would bet a lot of money that most posters on here couldn't name a major battle on the Eastern front apart from Stalingrad.

All this war winning stuff, lest we forget, poppy police stuff gets right on my fucking nerves as it mostly comes from uneducated cunts.

The victors tend to write the history mate. We didn’t really hear about the Katyn Massacres of 22,000 Polish officers until after the break up of the Soviet empire. I have just seen thet some of the killings took place in Kharkiv prison but that wasn’t on the tourist map when I went there.

 

[manclad]

If our history was taught properly and not focused on myths of exceptionalism then the people of our country might understand, until then though as long as we media banging on about "Dunkirk" spirit, Churchillian myths winning the war etc we have no chance.

I would bet a lot of money that most posters on here couldn't name a major battle on the Eastern front apart from Stalingrad.

All this war winning stuff, lest we forget, poppy police stuff gets right on my fucking nerves as it mostly comes from uneducated cunts.

Battle of Kursk. Largest tank/armoured clash in history of warfare.

 

[Didsbury Dave]

Nigel Farage, King of the “All Lives Matter” gaslight racists, has quit his role at LBC after being criticised for comparing BLM to The Taliban.

 

[PannickAtTheDisco]

If our history was taught properly and not focused on myths of exceptionalism then the people of our country might understand, until then though as long as we media banging on about "Dunkirk" spirit, Churchillian myths winning the war etc we have no chance.

I would bet a lot of money that most posters on here couldn't name a major battle on the Eastern front apart from Stalingrad.

All this war winning stuff, lest we forget, poppy police stuff gets right on my fucking nerves as it mostly comes from uneducated cunts.

so many myths. Yet, here you are, able to sit freely and post your bile because of them.

"So comrades come rally..."

An old trot with the posting trots.

 

[urban genie]

Nigel Farage, King of the “All Lives Matter” gaslight racists, has quit his role at LBC after being criticised for comparing BLM to The Taliban.

Suprised he doesn't open his own pirate radio show from his dingy he is always patroling the south coast in

 

[Blue Maverick]

It’s Netflix. They don’t do books.

your right Black books is on CH4 expect that to be pulled soon

 

[domalino]

The victors tend to write the history mate. We didn’t really hear about the Katyn Massacres of 22,000 Polish officers until after the break up of the Soviet empire. I have just seen thet some of the killings took place in Kharkiv prison but that wasn’t on the tourist map when I went there.

The stupid thing about victors writing history is that they're a lot like gamblers who only tell you about their great wins.

I think we spent longer learning about the Battle of Britain in my GCSE history than the thing actually lasted, but the battle of Singapore, the biggest loss in British military history didn't even get a mention.

We could probably do with teaching our children more about our losses and the times we were on the wrong side of history as well as the glorious victories.

 

[bert38]

Having watched it again you are right.
Still think she should have tasered or smacked them in the head with her truncheon

Its an asp, not a truncheon. And hitting somebody in the head can kill them-so it can only be justified if the officer believes they or someone else's life is at risk, generally speaking.

And from what I can see she didn't have a taser.

 

[Didsbury Dave]

The stupid thing about victors writing history is that they're a lot like gamblers who only tell you about their great wins.

I think we spent longer learning about the Battle of Britain in my GCSE history than the thing actually lasted, but the battle of Singapore, the biggest loss in British military history didn't even get a mention.

We could probably do with teaching our children more about our losses and the times we were on the wrong side of history as well as the glorious victories.

I went working in the USA when I was 18. My boss was a bit of a dick, and loved loud “banter” about winning wars and stuff. I understood it when he would ask me where we’d be if they had stepped into the war, but all this stuff about American independence and their wars with Britain, I knew nothing about. They all knew as much about it as we get taught about WW2. It was then that I realised that our own history is airbrushed in schools.

So is theirs: he thought they’d won the Vietnam war.

 

[Ban-jani]

I went working in the USA when I was 18. My boss was a bit of a dick, and loved loud “banter” about winning wars and stuff. I understood it when he would ask me where we’d be if they had stepped into the war, but all this stuff about American independence and their wars with Britain, I knew nothing about. They all knew as much about it as we get taught about WW2. It was then that I realised that our own history is airbrushed in schools.

So is theirs: he thought they’d won the Vietnam war.

I’ve seen that from Americans also.

If winning is full withdrawal so the enemy you’re fighting gets exactly what they want and overruns the area of the country you were supposed to be defending, holding the whole country today 50 years later, then I don’t want to see what losing looks like.

 

[manclad]

Its an asp, not a truncheon. And hitting somebody in the head can kill them-so it can only be justified if the officer believes they or someone else's life is at risk, generally speaking.

And from what I can see she didn't have a taser.

ASP is a generic term for an expandable/telescoping baton same as Transit/Hoover etc.
Armament Systems and Procedures make said batons as do Manadock ,ESP and the Rolls-Royce (another generic term)of batons Banowi.

 

[Trevor Morley's Tache]

I went working in the USA when I was 18. My boss was a bit of a dick, and loved loud “banter” about winning wars and stuff. I understood it when he would ask me where we’d be if they had stepped into the war, but all this stuff about American independence and their wars with Britain, I knew nothing about. They all knew as much about it as we get taught about WW2. It was then that I realised that our own history is airbrushed in schools.

So is theirs: he thought they’d won the Vietnam war.

They were absolutely spanked by relatively poorly equipped soldiers. A lot of the stat's from the Vietnam war were made up, especially enemy body counts.

 

[I'm With Stupid]

The mighty boosh and the league of gentlemen have been dropped by Netflix now. What on earth is happening, it’s getting ridiculous now

The thing is, I remember even at the time people highlighting Little Britain as problematic, not necessarily intentionally. Matt Lucas even said in a recent interview that his 'only gay in the village' was used in homophobic bullying (not his fault, obviously). Vicky Pollard coincided with the demonisation of working classes and definitely broadened the stereotype and brought it to a wider audience. There were accusations at the time that the "I'm a lady" sketch was a bit dodgy. But the one I remember people thinking was blatantly racist even as it aired was Ting Tong the Thai bride. I can't say I really remembered the one with Bubbles and her black equivalent.

I've never really watched the Boosh, but with the League of Gentlemen, it's pretty clear that Papa Lazarou is not a black character, and the choice of the black minstrel makeup was a fairly deliberate choice for a particular effect, but not a comment on race itself. I'm not actually aware of anyone ever complaining about Papa Lazarou, except in a "What about League of Gentlemen?" kind of way when blackface is (often legitimately) criticised in other contexts. The problem you always have is with these kind of things is that they fail to employ any subtlety in deciding whether something is acceptable or not.

 

[BobKowalski]

I’ve seen that from Americans also.

If winning is full withdrawal so the enemy you’re fighting gets exactly what they want and overruns the area of the country you were supposed to be defending, holding the whole country today 50 years later, then I don’t want to see what losing looks like.

In fairness we did the same with the Withdrawal Agreement or as it is now known ‘the very unfair’ Withdrawal Agreement.

 

[Ban-jani]

In fairness we did the same with the Withdrawal Agreement or as it is now known ‘the very unfair’ Withdrawal Agreement.

That’s a kettle of fish I don’t think we explore here :-)

 

[domalino]

I went working in the USA when I was 18. My boss was a bit of a dick, and loved loud “banter” about winning wars and stuff. I understood it when he would ask me where we’d be if they had stepped into the war, but all this stuff about American independence and their wars with Britain, I knew nothing about. They all knew as much about it as we get taught about WW2. It was then that I realised that our own history is airbrushed in schools.

So is theirs: he thought they’d won the Vietnam war.

The US is probably the one country worse than us for this - and they only have a few hundred years of history as well.

The Tulsa massacre is one that's come into focus recently - up to 200 black people killed by a white mob assisted by the national guard and the richest black community in the USA, nicknamed Black Wall Street, burned to the ground. The worst racial violence since the abolition of slavery.

They don't even teach it in Oklahoma - and the only records are from the KKK who made postcards as souvenirs because the government tried to airbrush it.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tulsa_race_massacre

It's only really come back into public consciousness since HBO's The Watchmen featured it.

Then there's the Native American genocide, Vietnam and even a "both sides" approach to the civil war.

But then again we're talking about a country where people are still, in 2020, trying to ban To Kill a Mockingbird in school libraries...

 

[Ban-jani]

They were absolutely spanked by relatively poorly equipped soldiers. A lot of the stat's from the Vietnam war were made up, especially enemy body counts.

I don’t want to derail the thread but the Netflix Documentary called Vietnam War is great (if they’ve not binned it for offensiveness haha).

It was the first war a country from the West fought without a front/territorial lines and so they had to judge battles on body count, which were grossly inflated.

A total fuck up from start to finish.

 

[I'm With Stupid]

They were absolutely spanked by relatively poorly equipped soldiers. A lot of the stat's from the Vietnam war were made up, especially enemy body counts.

I did a course with an American in Saigon and when she went to the War Remnants Museum apparently (I didn't go with her) she properly saw her arse insisting that they'd been fighting for democracy, rather than the preservation of the French empire and subsequent success of a US-friendly puppet government that the museum makes it clear they were actually fighting for.