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Ban-jani said:
I don’t want to derail the thread but the Netflix Documentary called Vietnam War is great (if they’ve not binned it for offensiveness haha).

It was the first war a country from the West fought without a front/territorial lines and so they had to judge battles on body count, which were grossly inflated.

A total fuck up from start to finish.
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There's actually a thread on it on the forum. Ken Burns' The Vietnam War. 19 hours of incredible documentary.
 
domalino said:
The US is probably the one country worse than us for this - and they only have a few hundred years of history as well.

The Tulsa massacre is one that's come into focus recently - up to 200 black people killed by a white mob assisted by the national guard and the richest black community in the USA, nicknamed Black Wall Street, burned to the ground. The worst racial violence since the abolition of slavery.

They don't even teach it in Oklahoma - and the only records are from the KKK who made postcards as souvenirs because the government tried to airbrush it.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tulsa_race_massacre

It's only really come back into public consciousness since HBO's The Watchmen featured it.

Then there's the Native American genocide, Vietnam and even a "both sides" approach to the civil war.

But then again we're talking about a country where people are still, in 2020, trying to ban To Kill a Mockingbird in school libraries...
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Fucking hell they used private aircraft in the attack.

Blows your mind how fucked it was.
 
BJL_City said:
so many myths. Yet, here you are, able to sit freely and post your bile because of them.

"So comrades come rally..."

An old trot with the posting trots.
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I am not a Trot, you really don't understand Communism do you.

Its not bile, I would prefer history was taught properly without the British exceptionalist slant that is all, maybe then the people of this country would not be surrounded with the myths.
 
manclad said:
Battle of Kursk. Largest tank/armoured clash in history of warfare.
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Nice one, did as much to defeat Hitler as any other battle imho. It smashed the German army and from then on they were in full scale retreat. We focus on D-Day, but without Stalingrad and Kursk Salient there would maybe not have been a D-Day
 
Cheadle_hulmeBlue said:
The mighty boosh and the league of gentlemen have been dropped by Netflix now. What on earth is happening, it’s getting ridiculous now
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As I’m sure @Prestwich_Blue will be interested to hear, I once had an impromptu night on the piss with Noel Fielding, who was good value tbf.
 
I don't think Netflix are removing these shows because they think (or care if) they're racist. I think it's more about branding and PR.
 
Lots of repeats of The Dukes Of Hazzard on Forces TV (Freeview Ch.96).
Will the General Lee have it's Stars and Bars blurred over.
I never watched that load of shite back in the late 70s,so I will not comment.
Although I did eventually learn what a pair of "Daisy Dukes" was,by reading very instructive "Gentlemen's Relish " type magazines.
 
Ban-jani said:
I don’t want to derail the thread but the Netflix Documentary called Vietnam War is great (if they’ve not binned it for offensiveness haha).

It was the first war a country from the West fought without a front/territorial lines and so they had to judge battles on body count, which were grossly inflated.

A total fuck up from start to finish.
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Brilliant series.

One line stuck with me, amongst many, was one conscript, a country boy and drafted because he wasn’t the brightest, writing, or taping I think, back to his family about the Army telling him they were over here to help the Vietnamese and to do this they had to burn his home down and destroy his crops.

His bafflement at this lunacy was poignant. He was killed later.
 
Took a break from Twitter today as it should be renamed bitter. Largely remain obsessed luvvies keen to tag white folks 40+ as racist gammon before they launch into Jk Rowling . BLM is their new flag for now despite them being as white and certainly more privileged than most. Good luck to the police at the weekend pre BLM the chattering classes were clapping them as key workers , not now.
 
mccity said:
I don't think Netflix are removing these shows because they think (or care if) they're racist. I think it's more about branding and PR.
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It always is with corporations.

Barely any give a flying fuck about diversity, they do it so they don’t get called out with negative criticism that will affect the brand.
 
manclad said:
Lots of repeats of The Dukes Of Hazzard on Forces TV (Freeview Ch.96).
Will the General Lee have it's Stars and Bars blurred over.
I never watched that load of shite back in the late 70s,so I will not comment.
Although I did eventually learn what a pair of "Daisy Dukes" was,by reading very instructive "Gentlemen's Relish " type magazines.
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It's amazing just how many TV shows from not that long ago are blatantly racist.
 
Ban-jani said:
Fucking hell they used private aircraft in the attack.

Blows your mind how fucked it was.
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Well it's sure to get some more headlines soon as Trump has decided to restart his rallies there, on the anniversary of the reading of the emancipation proclamation. Purely coincidental I imagine, not a wink to the white supremacists at all
 
I'm With Stupid said:
The thing is, I remember even at the time people highlighting Little Britain as problematic, not necessarily intentionally. Matt Lucas even said in a recent interview that his 'only gay in the village' was used in homophobic bullying (not his fault, obviously). Vicky Pollard coincided with the demonisation of working classes and definitely broadened the stereotype and brought it to a wider audience. There were accusations at the time that the "I'm a lady" sketch was a bit dodgy. But the one I remember people thinking was blatantly racist even as it aired was Ting Tong the Thai bride. I can't say I really remembered the one with Bubbles and her black equivalent.

I've never really watched the Boosh, but with the League of Gentlemen, it's pretty clear that Papa Lazarou is not a black character, and the choice of the black minstrel makeup was a fairly deliberate choice for a particular effect, but not a comment on race itself. I'm not actually aware of anyone ever complaining about Papa Lazarou, except in a "What about League of Gentlemen?" kind of way when blackface is (often legitimately) criticised in other contexts. The problem you always have is with these kind of things is that they fail to employ any subtlety in deciding whether something is acceptable or not.
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I was a huge fan of Little Britain but even back when it was first aired, I found it astonishing what they got away with considering it was on prime time BBC and this was the 00’s, not the 70’s. Pretty much every character and sketch was close to the bone - the racist old woman who was always throwing up (who remembers she even had a racist puking dog in one episode?), old Mrs Emery who was always pissing her pants, that other old lady who a much younger David Walliams had a crush on and even had his tongue down her throat at one stage. It just went on and on. Even Tom Baker’s voice overs weren’t particularly pc. And if the TV series sailed close to the wind, the stage show was even worse. I went to see it and couldn’t believe the amount of young kids who were there with their parents, especially when paedo character Des Kaye made an appearance. Fucking hell!
 
Rascal said:
Lincoln owned slaves, many on the Confederate side of the divide saw Lincoln as a dictator, who in modern terms would be classed as a fascist due to his mercantile/corporatist policies.

Lincolns link to Manchester is because of the Mancunian peoples refusal to take southern cotton which in effect starved the Confederate war effort of funds to buy weapons, our lovely neighbours down the East Lancs however ran the blockades of the Union navy in order to supply the Confederacy with goods and especially luxuries that the Southern landowners had become accustomed too.

I read a really interesting book on Lincoln by Thomas Di Lorenzo, who I believe is linked to the Mises institute, who for the unaware is a pro free market small govt institution. Lincoln is accused of being the progenitor of American big state government whilst Jefferson Davis was more akin to the ideals of the small state free market right. The book is wrote from a Confederate viewpoint which you have to take into account.

These things in my opinion cloud the issue of Lincoln, and I prefer to look on the statue of Lincoln as monument to the Mancunian people who suffered tremendous hardship because of their stance rather than Lincoln himself. Whether that is a fair appraisal I suppose demands on your outlook on politics
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Great post.
Wish i'd known about Manchester's refusal to buy yesterday.
 
Some of these shows deserve to be removed but attempting to purge anything from existence that could even slightly be deemed offensive is just ridiculous. I think there’s a significant difference between actual blackface like the minstrel shows which racially stereotypes a black person and exaggerates features such as bigger lips etc and simply portraying a black person and in some cases not even that. Papa Lazarou has a black and white face, is he even meant to be human? It’s certainly not meant to come across as a black man
 
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