George Floyd murder | Clashes between US police and protestors

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manclad said:
I would like to see how Nelson is going to be toppled from his column. I have no idea how tall the column is - maybe 200 ft. You would have to have a real head for heights to take a rope/cable up there.
And no Fred Dibnah to help anymore.
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Especially when there’s a load of Millwall round it.
 
Ban-jani said:
I don’t see it as a conspiracy at all.

It’s the fault of BLM for turning on these statues, they’ve shifted the debate away from current prejudices and black lives to “which statue deserves to stay”.

BLM have now asked for the removal of 78 statues and monuments, not all were slave traders.

This movement is at danger of collapsing due to it essentially amounting to a bunch of students in their thinking.

I hope it doesn’t and I hope they shift the debate onto how to improve society without removing any famous monuments.

I have said if they were solely a slave trader then fine, put it to a community vote and get rid into a museum.
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That isn’t BLM.

I think people need to be very careful of lumping everyone in with the same intentions and motivations in this debate (and I’d imagine a lot within the BLM movement and it’s initial motivations would feel the same).
 
meltonblue said:
That isn’t BLM.

I think people need to be very careful of lumping everyone in with the same intentions and motivations in this debate (and I’d imagine a lot within the BLM movement and it’s initial motivations would feel the same).
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I was careful, the media think it’s BLM and have a quote from a “spokesperson”.

There was a protest today by BLM to remove Rhodes from Oxford University.

Now Rhodes is a contentious one and it’s hardly Nelson’s Column, so not a hill I wish to die on but I’m saying it because the media, unanimously from what I can see, think it’s their organisers.

From demanding no police at all in the US, it’s now moved from defunding to removing the force, to British monuments, I worry people will start to move away and it’s a cause that really does need to keep going imo.

I want something like a humanity class in school just to teach the basics on how to treat one another, be a good person generally and discrimination etc.

That’s a legitimate position they could aim for, even getting more on discrimination into the curriculum generally.

I don’t know if there’s a law they want removing or a policy that’s wrong?

But this shit is 6th form politics and it’s turning it into infantile shite.
 
manclad said:
I would like to see how Nelson is going to be toppled from his column. I have no idea how tall the column is - maybe 200 ft. You would have to have a real head for heights to take a rope/cable up there.
And no Fred Dibnah to help anymore.
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Right at the end he's on top of Nelsons hat. Not a hard hat or hi-viz in sight - just a pair of flares and a jacket from army and navy.
 
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Ban-jani said:
I was careful, the media think it’s BLM and have a quote from a “spokesperson”.

There was a protest today by BLM to remove Rhodes from Oxford University.

Now Rhodes is a contentious one and it’s hardly Nelson’s Column, so not a hill I wish to die on but I’m saying it because the media, unanimously from what I can see, think it’s their organisers.

From demanding no police at all in the US, it’s now moved from defunding to removing the force, to British monuments, I worry people will start to move away and it’s a cause that really does need to keep going imo.

I want something like a humanity class in school just to teach the basics on how to treat one another, be a good person generally and discrimination etc.

That’s a legitimate position they could aim for, even getting more on discrimination into the curriculum generally.

I don’t know if there’s a law they want removing or a policy that’s wrong?

But this shit is 6th form politics and it’s turning it into infantile shite.
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Isn’t demanding the abolition of the BBC an act of cultural vandalism given all they have done is remove an episode of Fawlty Towers? They have censored the ‘n’ word out of an episode before this.

I still get the impression of double standards because calling for the abolition of a public service institution that is admired around the world over a comedy episode made nearly 50 years ago is kind of in the same ballpark as daubing paint on Churchill’s statue.
 
If people think that removing a few statues (some of which no fucker will have ever heard of before all this started) and a few tv programmes from 20+ years ago, will suddenly end racism and bigotry, they're in for a big shock. It will only get better with education, but it will always be here. Most people have a live and let live attitude to life, but there will always be a minority that will hate. Hate blacks, hate gays, hate anything that's different to them, brought about by a number of factors, religion, society, tribalism and ignorance. Always has been and sadly always will be.
 
Fame Monster said:


They're going after Patel now.

The patronising and racist belief that all ethnic minorities should share the same opinion.
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Whatever your views of BJ, the Tories or Patel, there is no escaping the fact that this is the most ethnically diverse front bench ever IIRC? Not sure the do-gooders know quite what to do with themselves - you can't even hate the tories without being racist now :-)
 
Ban-jani said:
I was careful, the media think it’s BLM and have a quote from a “spokesperson”.

There was a protest today by BLM to remove Rhodes from Oxford University.

Now Rhodes is a contentious one and it’s hardly Nelson’s Column, so not a hill I wish to die on but I’m saying it because the media, unanimously from what I can see, think it’s their organisers.

From demanding no police at all in the US, it’s now moved from defunding to removing the force, to British monuments, I worry people will start to move away and it’s a cause that really does need to keep going imo.

I want something like a humanity class in school just to teach the basics on how to treat one another, be a good person generally and discrimination etc.

That’s a legitimate position they could aim for, even getting more on discrimination into the curriculum generally.

I don’t know if there’s a law they want removing or a policy that’s wrong?

But this shit is 6th form politics and it’s turning it into infantile shite.
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Again though, that’s because some in the media are linking everyone in to the same category. The original people that started Black lives matter and those whose lives are most impacted are ultimately the ones that are going to again suffer because of what it has turned into.

Their aim initially and still now is in their name. All they were asking for was for others to treat them similar to anyone else and that their lives matter. They haven’t just done that, they’ve pleaded for it and now they are protesting for it. It is not in their control to actually make the change because it is how they are treated and perceived that is the entire issue.

Whats now happened is a bunch of predominately white people, in supporting that movement, have taken it upon themselves to push it towards the censorship or eradication of anything they believe to be offensive to those people. The thing is though, all that has done is angered the very people the BLM movement is pleading to in the first place. Any initial sympathy is then drowned out in anger at the idea it’s then turned into an attack on their culture and ultimately for no benefit to anyone.

Does anyone really think what the BLM movement was asking for was the removal of a statue of someone that no one had ever heard of before? That they thought that is what would make the lives of their children better? Of course it isn’t, it’s changing the viewpoint of the people they will encounter throughout their life that is important.

I actually feel very sorry for the proper BLM movement. All they were asking for (again) was for white people to treat them with respect and for their lives to matter and it had a moment driving it that no one could ever condone. White people then attach themselves to the movement, turn it into an attack on historical figures and statues themselves and the initial message is then eradicated.

The end result is the very people the BLM were pleading to that their lives matter right now are instead debating and feeling more emotive about inanimate objects of dead white people than they do about their real lives right now.

Its depressingly ironic really if you think about it. And so the cycle continues.
 
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Fame Monster said:


They're going after Patel now.

The patronising and racist belief that all ethnic minorities should share the same opinion.
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Im all for equality but when BLM is conveniently propped up by ANTIFA thugs and become black nationalism I draw the line. BLM is creating division that never really existed. The whole “divide and conquer” thing is so obvious to see. The black community in the UK are being used....
 
The notion that George Floyd’s needless and tragic death would see positive changes in society has all but been lost now.

The social media cancel culture mob are turning ordinary people against what the movement should be about.

And now it’s getting political and the left are losing yet again, you would have thought that the last few years would have made them realise that telling normal decent people they are bad people because they don’t conform to their views is not going to gain them power or change the world for the better.

Society is not going to progress at the rate normal decent people would like if everyone is angry all the time forming group after group to fight each other.

Everything is extreme, there is no centre point anymore.

I’m sure if you would ask the Bristol public whether that statue of Edward Colston should still stand or be consigned to a museum and there was a proper debate over it, the answer would have been no and it would have been removed correctly. Instead it is torn down in an anarchist way that antagonises normal people.

Why can’t people discuss things in the correct manner? We all have names, culture, family history, talents and most importantly opinions. It seems that everything that is going on at the moment is designed to make us the same in the name of “equality”.

You read the newspapers, watch the news, scroll through tweets, get tagged in a Facebook post and everything is designed to recruit you and brainwash you to what they believe in. Everybody is trying to be that one person that can change the world which is impossible to achieve which in turn creates anger that “society isn’t doing enough so we must press harder”.

There will always be racism, just like there will always be murders, corruption, favouritism, bullying and any of the hundreds of examples I could have listed that don’t shine a good light on humans. You cannot eradicate any of them, they are part of the human DNA. It just seems that it’s a never ending “battle” with the delusion that it will be won. If a racist abuses a black player at a Premier League game, that does not mean that football in England has a racism problem, it just means that a racist is a football fan and he should be dealt with in the correct manner which luckily we now deal with in the correct manner, ban for life.

History exists to educate people as well. There was a post on here earlier today which was a good opinion in that black history is not celebrated enough. I agree with this, the way black history is portrayed is negative with undertones of bitterness. How far do we go back in history to a point where the demographic you belong to was suppressed against? We cannot change history, we can only change the future.
 
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