George Floyd murder / Derek Chauvin guilty of murder

[BlueNomad]

I don’t and he’s not dead.

I was half joking but in reality take guns out of the picture on both sides and so many more people live.

Well, if we are going to head into the land of fairies and dreams, then....

 

[Ban-jani]

Well, if we are going to head into the land of fairies and dreams, then....

Well yeah, I’ve literally just said in a proper response that it’s never happening but it’s the only way to reduce the deaths significantly as far as I can see.

What are your thoughts?

 

[BlueNomad]

'Reaching into the car is a strecth' but maybe try and detain him earlier, de-escolate etc. 7 shots to the back is exessive which ever way you look at it. But there will always be someone lookign to defend these trigger happy cunts

Look at the clip above, he is walking round with a machine gun because he can, yet an unarmed black man can't walk off and open his own car door.

I’m sorry, but the ignorance in your post speaks to why you should probably not be speaking out on this issue, to include your clearly stated bias regarding “trigger happy cunts.”

You simply have no clue what you are talking about. None.

 

[BlueNomad]

Well yeah, I’ve literally just said in a proper response that it’s never happening but it’s the only way to reduce the deaths significantly as far as I can see.

What are your thoughts?

I prefer to live in the real America that exists in front of my eyes. Sadly, I’m not sure where this takes us, when ignorant fools in the hinterlands are encouraged by an ignorant fool in the White House to be whom he knows they are.

Trump is a certified racist. Certified by a court when a family Housing Complex was sued and they had to stop their racism, and even his full page spread in the papers on the Central Park Five speak to it. He simply speaks their language, often in dog whistles, but it’s unmistakable, and it has stoked racial hatred.

We could start there...trying to put a lid on that!

 

[SebastianBlue]

I mean, his views are extreme in terms of arresting people and locking them away for life for impregnating women.

He shouldn’t be a cop with views like that, they’re absolutely laughably horrific, however he does state it doesn’t matter what race so where’s the evidence of racism?

Absolutely agree he shouldn’t be in law
enforcement, much less sheriff of a county with those views.

And I am not sure saying “we have to stop being politically correct, and I don’t care what race, I don’t care how old they are” magicly means race is no longer a factor in who he, Kenosha County, or America seek to imprison (at much higher rates proportional to overall population), though.

Saying there is no inherent racism in decision making or the system itself does not make it so.

If such powers of aspiration were effective the missus and I would be having a very enjoyable afternoon with Gal Gadot and Freema Agyeman right now.

 

[Len Rum]

No I do not have to accept that at all.

The police were trying to arrest Blake who reached in his car, the confrontation is between Blake and the police. They are trained to act in self defence and terminate the threat and reaching for something, especially when resisting arrest, is seen as a threat. I don’t think they should have shot him, but that’s why they did.

With the nutjob shooter, I don’t even know his name, he’s not attacking the police directly and therefore they should try and arrest him.

You want them to shoot the white guy because of what happened to the black guy but it’s because the white guy wasn’t a threat to the police themselves.

That’s what you’re missing.

To be honest America needs binning off, just make it a part of Mexico, the place is fucked and it’s why I’m desperate for wankers not to bring that trouble over here and why I’m against BLM UK.

Mate, your defence of the police in the shooting of Blake is so pathetic as to not merit any counter reply.
Best to let it hang out there and stink the joint out.

 

[Ban-jani]

Absolutely agree he shouldn’t be in law
enforcement, much less sheriff of a county with those views.

And I am not sure saying “we have to stop being politically correct, and I don’t care what race, 8 don’t care how old they are” magicly means race is no longer a factor in who he, Kenosha County, or America seek to imprison (at much higher rates proportional to overall population), though.

Saying there is no inherent racism in decision making or the system itself does not make it so.

If such powers of aspiration were effective the missus and I would be having a very enjoyable afternoon with Gal Gadot and Freema Agyeman right now.

I’m not saying there isn’t, just not in his wild rant about shagging about.

 

[Ban-jani]

Mate, your defence of the police in the shooting of Blake is so pathetic as to not merit any counter reply.
Best to let it hang out there and stink the joint out.

and if you’d read the thread once in a while you’d realise I said the police were wrong for shooting him.

There is no defence from me, although Blake really really hasn’t helped the situation.

My point was why Blake and not the nutter who killed two people were shot, the former was because he was a direct threat to the officer, even though his crime was minuscule compared to the twat murdering people. They are different things for the police to handle so whilst shooting Blake seven times was excessive and they should have gone for a rugby tackle earlier, it’s not exactly comparable.

You need to get a better grip of context before making accusations.

 

[BlueNomad]

Mate, your defence of the police in the shooting of Blake is so pathetic as to not merit any counter reply.
Best to let it hang out there and stink the joint out.

Not directed at me, but I find ignorant more disdainful than pathetic, and that’s if I even concede pathetic, which I don’t.

There is clearly a misunderstanding about the events surrounding the Blake shooting, and it isn’t going to get fixed on Bluemoon.

I’ve spent far too much time trying to explain actions of people I don’t know in a situation ALL OF US only “understand” from two cell phone videos.

I think I’ve said and done about as much as I can to present my view as the American closest to the incident, with some law enforcement training.

Accordingly, I will leave the few people still discussing it to themselves. There is nothing I can add to what may have happened, and, at this point, it appears views are so entrenched as to be immovable, even by facts.

Good luck to us all.

 

[kaz7]

You strike me as someone who might have had the chance to spend some time with the police, which may have colored your vision.

They had already fought with him on the ground on the other side of the car. Witness says he had already been tased. He just walked off, purposely and directly, to the drivers side door of the car. The officers followed, guns drawn because someone said he had a knife. No-one shot him over any of that. They followed him, shouting commands he was refusing to follow.

Is Blake acting rationally? Is he above the law? Is he continuing to actively resist?

He continues over to the drivers side door. He opens it. The officer reaches forward to pull him out of the door as Blake bends down.

At that point, and only at that point, does the officer decide he may be about to face a deadly threat and discharged his weapon.

I don’t see any “fucking pigs” there. I do see someone presenting a serious threat to officers trying to do their job, and he simply went waaay too far.

As for @kaz7 liking your post? Shocking.

I have a view that i have made very clear in this thread from the start,i left because you wont listen

 

[SebastianBlue]

I’m not saying there isn’t, just not in his wild rant about shagging about.

I think some would argue the views he expressed themselves are representative of racist attitudes permeating American law enforcement and the culture’s general deference to incarceration, rather than support/intervention/rehabilitation, especially of non-whites.

“There are *some* people that aren’t worth saving.”

“We need to build warehouses to put *these* people in to it and lock them away for the rest of their lives.”

“Let’s stop *them*...at least some of these males going out and getting ten other women pregnant.”

“Let’s put *them* away.”

“*These* people have to be warehoused.”

“We put *them* away for the rest of their lives so the rest of *us* can be better.”

Do you think when he says “some”, “these”, and “them” he means people like him? That look like him? That come from his neighbourhood? That are among “us”? You think he wants to stop people that reside in his community from procreating? Even those from *his* community that have been convicted of crimes?

When black and brown people are still incarcerated at a much higher rate than white people (proportional to the overall population in the US, see chart below), it is unfortunately fair to assume that a large portion of “these people” to which he refers will be black, and many of them will have gone there based on an inherently racist system (judicial, economic, societal) that effectively set them on that path from birth.

Generational poverty and structural discrimination exists and most people can’t simply rise above it through the power of positive thinking and hard work.

This sort of rhetoric over the years has contributed to the perpetuation of those shackles, however couched in “I am not racist but...” phrasing.

 

[Ban-jani]

I think some would argue the views he expressed themselves are representative of racist attitudes permeating American law enforcement and the culture’s general deference to incarceration, rather than support/intervention/rehabilitation, especially of non-whites.

“There are *some* people that aren’t worth saving.”

“We need to build warehouses to put *these* people in to it and lock them away for the rest of their lives.”

“Let’s stop *them*...at least some of these males going out and getting ten other women pregnant.”

“Let’s put *them* away.”

“*These* people have to be warehoused.”

“We put *them* away for the rest of their lives so the rest of *us* can be better.”

Do you think when he says “some”, “these”, and “then” he means people like him? That look like him? That come from his neighbourhood? That are among “us”? You think he wants to stop people that reside in his community from procreating? Even those from *his* community that have been convicted of crimes?

When black and brown people are still incarcerated at a much higher rate than white people (proportional to the overall population in the US, see chart below), it is unfortunately fair to assume that a large portion of “these people” to which he refers will be black, and many of them will have gone there based on an inherently racist system (judicial, economic, societal) that effectively set them on that path from birth.

Generational poverty and structural discrimination exists and most people can’t simply rise above it through the power of positive thinking and hard work.

This sort of rhetoric over the years has contributed to the perpetuation of those shackles, however couched in “I am not racist but...” phrasing.

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Well 70% of single parent households are black so he could mean them.

You’re also far likely to enter into a life of crime if you have one parent which explains your graph.

 

[Dax777]

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Absolutely agree he shouldn’t be in law
enforcement, much less sheriff of a county with those views.

And I am not sure saying “we have to stop being politically correct, and I don’t care what race, 8 don’t care how old they are” magicly means race is no longer a factor in who he, Kenosha County, or America seek to imprison (at much higher rates proportional to overall population), though.

Saying there is no inherent racism in decision making or the system itself does not make it so.

If such powers of aspiration were effective the missus and I would be having a very enjoyable afternoon with Gal Gadot and Freema Agyeman right now.

Nor does it mean there is. And a higher proportion of incarceration doesn't prove racism either. I mean there is an easy way to show that. Men are also incarcerated at 15 times their proportion of the population. Does this mean there is a sexist agenda against men?

Anyway, on the second 'Bold' holy smokes she is stunning :)

 

[mat]

Mods

Any chance you can rename this thread White Privileged men using whataboutary to surpress the uncomfortable facts in front of them?

 

[Ban-jani]

Mods

Any chance you can rename this thread White Privileged men using whataboutary to surpress the uncomfortable facts in front of them?

Forget that. Just ban anyone who doesn’t agree with you.

Rather making pathetic accusations of racism against anyone who has a differing view just ban us all, that way you, Dave, Bluthrunthru, Bob etc. can all have a circle tug about Corbyn and how racist everything is.

This forum is absolutely shite now, it’s totally intolerant of opposing views.

And before anyone accuses me of anything I do think America has a race problem and Blake needn’t have been shot but fuck it, I can’t be arsed anymore, it’s just a site for one type of view now.

 

[SebastianBlue]

Well 70% of single parent households are black so he could mean them.

You’re also far likely to enter into a life of crime if you have one parent which explains your graph.

So you agree he largely meant black people when he said “some”, “these”, and “them”?

And I think it is very inaccurate to say people growing up with only one parent being far more likely to commit crime “explains” the Pew Research Center graph which represents an incredibly complex network of factors, including the aforementioned generational poverty and structural racism that impacts family units (“conventional” or otherwise).

I’m also not sure where you got your statistic — I think it may be based on a more simplistic (and likely flawed) US Census analysis, but I had trouble finding it, so perhaps it was some other study?

This is from Pew Research Center’s most recent analysis of various studies — the full write-up has some very interesting insights, especially the Republican v Democrat perception differential.

The Changing Profile of Unmarried Parents

One-in-four parents living with a child in the United States today are unmarried, up from 7% in 1968. A growing share of unmarried parents are cohabiting partners.

www.pewsocialtrends.org

 

[SebastianBlue]

Nor does it mean there is. And a higher proportion of incarceration doesn't prove racism either. I mean there is an easy way to show that. Men are also incarcerated at 15 times their proportion of the population. Does this mean there is a sexist agenda against men?

Anyway, on the second 'Bold' holy smokes she is stunning :)

So what you are asserting is that non-white people just commit crime at higher rates than white people?

 

[Ban-jani]

So you agree he largely meant black people when he said “some”, “these”, and “them”?

And I think it is very inaccurate to say people growing up with only one parent being far more likely to commit crime “explains” the Pew Research Center graph which represents an incredibly complex network of factors, including the aforementioned generational poverty and structural racism that impacts family units (“conventional” or otherwise).

I’m also not sure where you got your statistic — I think it may be based on a more simplistic (and likely flawed) US Census analysis, but I had trouble finding it, so perhaps it was some other study?

This is from Pew Research Center’s most recent analysis of various studies — the full write-up has some very interesting insights, especially the Republican v Democrat perception differential.

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The Changing Profile of Unmarried Parents

One-in-four parents living with a child in the United States today are unmarried, up from 7% in 1968. A growing share of unmarried parents are cohabiting partners.

www.pewsocialtrends.org

I don’t mind having a chat with you and there’s a good conversation here about improving the situation for young people in America and single parent households but I can’t be arsed mate, I’ve been called a racist about 10 times today without saying anything racist in 11 years on this forum so I’ve had enough for tonight.

 

[BlueNomad]

I have a view that i have made very clear in this thread from the start,i left because you wont listen

Oh, I was listening, but when the level of conversation is “fucking pigs” I draw the line. You liked that post, which tells me that not only are YOU not here to listen, or even possibly learn something, but have made up your mind at the very extreme end of the spectrum.

 

[Dax777]

So what you are asserting is that non-white people just commit crime at higher rates than white people?

Nope. You inferred that. I simply showed you that disproportionate rate of representation does not prove discrimination. That said, let me infer right back at you. Are you saying different populations commit all crimes at the same rates?