They're wrong to say that, it's not all about the defence, it's not all about the keeper either, it's all about the team.
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Golden Glove Race 2017/18
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They're wrong to say that, it's not all about the defence, it's not all about the keeper either, it's all about the team.
EL APACHE TEVEZ
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I’m Sure he’s on 11 clean sheets,the lad is world class the thing I love about him he doesn’t turn off considering the amount of possession we have.
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They're wrong to say that, it's not all about the defence, it's not all about the keeper either, it's all about the team.
But it is called Golden Glove,and there is only one player that can touch the ball with his hands
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City have 11, Ederson didn't get the one for the dippers game.I’m Sure he’s on 11 clean sheets,the lad is world class the thing I love about him he doesn’t turn off considering the amount of possession we have.
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Proper token award this one, means nothing in terms of goalkeepers really.
You defend and concede goals as a team. It starts at the front with your strikers and midfielders and whether they give the ball away or press to win the ball back. Then includes the back four and defensive mid being in position, winning tackles/headers/interceptions and not making mistakes. Then it even relies on the quality of the opposition players getting crosses, passes and shooting accuracy right before the goalkeeper even comes into it.
A goalkeeper can make no saves all game and still keep a clean sheet.
If anything the award should go to the goalkeeper who makes the most saves in a season. Maybe a ratio of saves to shots at him. Maybe include a ratio of crosses come for and won, passing accuracy etc. too. But giving one man a team award that he only fits on the end of if all the rest of the team haven't done their job first doesn't really fit.
Plus football is about scoring goals and winning games. It's far more impressive to score 100 goals and concede 25 than it is to score 85 goals and concede 5, yet there is not end of season team Golden Boot award.
You defend and concede goals as a team. It starts at the front with your strikers and midfielders and whether they give the ball away or press to win the ball back. Then includes the back four and defensive mid being in position, winning tackles/headers/interceptions and not making mistakes. Then it even relies on the quality of the opposition players getting crosses, passes and shooting accuracy right before the goalkeeper even comes into it.
A goalkeeper can make no saves all game and still keep a clean sheet.
If anything the award should go to the goalkeeper who makes the most saves in a season. Maybe a ratio of saves to shots at him. Maybe include a ratio of crosses come for and won, passing accuracy etc. too. But giving one man a team award that he only fits on the end of if all the rest of the team haven't done their job first doesn't really fit.
Plus football is about scoring goals and winning games. It's far more impressive to score 100 goals and concede 25 than it is to score 85 goals and concede 5, yet there is not end of season team Golden Boot award.
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But it is called Golden Glove,and there is only one player that can touch the ball with his hands
And the amount of times he has to touch it is determined by what happens in front of him.
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Joe who?
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mat
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Harty post there matey!Joe who?
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And just thinking on from my point above; there's too much emphasis on defending to succeed in this sport at present for me. Look at the amount of teams who just come and defend, not just against us, but even in a game like West Ham v West Brom, for example. Plus all the other team in this league not matter who they play.
Fair play to Arsenal in the last few weeks have had the two best games i've seen all season against Liverpool and Chelsea with both teams going at each other all game. It was a joy to watch.
I think there should be more emphasis and rewarding of attacking and scoring goals than not conceding them! Goals conceded should come as an afterthought to all other stats and rewards.
Fair play to Arsenal in the last few weeks have had the two best games i've seen all season against Liverpool and Chelsea with both teams going at each other all game. It was a joy to watch.
I think there should be more emphasis and rewarding of attacking and scoring goals than not conceding them! Goals conceded should come as an afterthought to all other stats and rewards.
Neville Kneville
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Proper token award this one, means nothing in terms of goalkeepers really.
You defend and concede goals as a team. It starts at the front with your strikers and midfielders and whether they give the ball away or press to win the ball back. Then includes the back four and defensive mid being in position, winning tackles/headers/interceptions and not making mistakes. Then it even relies on the quality of the opposition players getting crosses, passes and shooting accuracy right before the goalkeeper even comes into it.
A goalkeeper can make no saves all game and still keep a clean sheet.
If anything the award should go to the goalkeeper who makes the most saves in a season. Maybe a ratio of saves to shots at him. Maybe include a ratio of crosses come for and won, passing accuracy etc. too. But giving one man a team award that he only fits on the end of if all the rest of the team haven't done their job first doesn't really fit.
Plus football is about scoring goals and winning games. It's far more impressive to score 100 goals and concede 25 than it is to score 85 goals and concede 5, yet there is not end of season team Golden Boot award.
I agree. And it's impossible to quantify a keeper's importance outside of just shot stopping.
Ederson is clearly a top keeper & it is certainly not easy to pull saves out of the bag, like he does, when he's barely even touching the ball with his hands for huge parts of the game. But his contribution to City is enormous & we would not be the same team, with DeGea in goal.
But if you look at teams like Burnley & Utd, without brilliant goalkeeping, rescuing them at key moments, even in games where they were 'on top' they would be 15 points worse off, wheras Liverpool, with the same heroics, would probably be 2nd.
It's a daft award in its present state & should be purely a 'shotstopper' award, perhaps with a panel of ex keepers, to rule out 'easy' saves as being counted & rate the difficulty of the saves made.