Graham Poll on Five Live: Man City, refs and the FA

Plain Speaking said:
Interesting piece on Five live tonight <a class="postlink" href="http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/console/b019pkyy" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/console/b019pkyy</a>

Mark Chapman (MC), Graham Poll (GP), Steve Claridge (SC) and Ian McGarry (IM)from about 12.00 to 17.00 link above:
I have made a note of some of the main City points to make it easier:

GP: The basic instruction to referees is in. "If 2 players clash and you cant trust them on their own you should not leave them on their own"...
GP: The FA are inconsistent thats the problem...in what they charge and what they dont. All that leaves the suspicion that, because its Mario "Why always me?" gets charged...
GP: Balotelli in my mind is certain to get a 4 match ban...
MC: Just on Mario Balotelli now Graham, if you were refereeing now, would you pay "special attention" to him during a game?
GP: I would be wary of him because he does react to players...He is very sensitive to players touching him. I dont think he is someone that wants to be or can be managed that well. You can work with some players. He doesnt appear to react to positive comments. Some players will listen to you, some players wont. With Mario it would appear he doesnt listen...As a referee you would keep an eye out for that kind of incident. Youre talking Scott Parker strong tackler, good player coming into Mario Balotelli...as volatile as Pablo de Canio and if you leave them unattended if you are looking for perfection in refereeing that isnt great.
IM: Graham it looked to me as if Balotelli was in a dark mood as he came on the pitch...He had the yellow card just before the stamping incident. He clearly was annoyed at something, probably that the fact he hadnt started the match and Dzeko had played like a drain and still was on for seventy minutes . He looked to me in the mood to do something silly... As a referee you should pick up on that? As soon as he came on the pitch yoy should think to yourself ...hang on I'd better be careful. I dont think Howard quite grasped that. He booked him at the right time I think it was for a challenge on Kaboul...(SC:Assou Okotu)...but then he let it go...
GP. (He talked about when he refereed Ars. v Man Utd when he gave free kicks every 30 sec for the first 5 mins)....thats a way to put a lid on a situation to calm it all down. If you've got someone like Balotelli you see him in the mood you give him a yellow card, the next couple of minutes you watch him like a hawk. to protect him as much as anything..its not to pick on him...It's not to go "I'm going to get him sent off", you can nip it in the bud as soon as a tackle goes in your in there ..bang...thats a free kick
MC: Graham, can you understand why Manchester City fans think there is an anti-Manchester City Agenda at the moment? Ed in Luton, you lot are hyping all this Manchester City agenda. I've had tweets saying Im anti-City which I'm not. But why dont you mention Paul Scholes against Bolton, Glen Johnson taking out Lescott in the first leg of the league Cup. Yesterday there were City fans who thought Scott Parker had a couple of tackles that could easily have been a yellow, but Mario Balotelli got a yellow for nothing realy because benoir Assou okotu rolled over 4 times and Mario Balotelli is Mario Balotelli?
GP: I can understand their view and when you're near the top, you get a little more sensitive dont you? Especially when Man United are only 3 points behind and breathing down your neck. So erm basically if the Man City players dont misbehave they cant be done by the FA and they cant be done by the referees, simple as that. You've got to keep your own house in order rather than looking at other people and what about this one? what about that one? I'd never believe there was a bias within the FA but there is an inconsistency and thats what needs sorting out.
MC: Andrew in Mickleborough has tweeted us, refs do make bad decisions we all accept that but it totally undermines them if the FA make these retrospective punishments?
GP: No I disagree completely
SC: 'Course it doesnt.. dont be ridiculous
GP: No, I'm with you Steve, you cant see everything on the pitch and you are happy if you genuinely miss something and its on the pitch and the FA say did you see it? and you say "no" and the FA say "we're going to do him 3 matches". What I would also like, is what I used to be able to do and I did it on 3 occasions when I sent someone off wrongly, I looked at the video and went "I am wrong please take that into account" and thats been taken away from referees now.
SC: Yes absolutely.
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Same as usual starts to make a sensible logical statement about the lack of consistency shown by the FA. Then completelly contradicts himself by saying you have to watch some players.
 
rooney will get his in the international matches (and let the whole county down again!)

the international ref's dont care about reputation and the fact that he is "rooney".

they just see the thug that he is and will send him off

those comments by Poll are worrying if that is what the FA are directing ref's to do....you cannt give a player a yellow card cause he looks in a bad mood.

What he is saying is that good old scotty parker can go round kicking lumps out of people but as sooon as mario makes a challenge, commits a foul then he is going to get booked straight away......!!!!!!!!

that is the most ridiculous thing ive ever heard!!!!

you cannt have one rule for some players and one rule for others just cause they have different personalities.
 
I wonder if Webb got to look at numerous slow motion replays before deciding whether he saw it or not. In real time it would be very difficult to call that a red card offence, in slow motion it looks worse.

But should TV be used like that?
 
stonerblue said:
Gray said:
Don't take any notice of what "Mr Three Yellow Cards" has to say.

The crux of the problem is referees saying later that they did or did not see an incident, get them to take a lie detector test is the solution.
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I was alsowondering why thew refs report takes so long to be given to the FA.

Surely the report should be done immediately after the game and not once the ref has watched the sky witchhunt or motd pubdits talking shite.
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You're spot on with this observation.
Referees should provide the match report immediately after the game, and in a closed environment without any media access, so that they do not get swayed by the media witchhunt, and provide their honest opinions about the game...very similar to how a jury is cut off from all media access in a court case..

of course, if the ref is already bent...
 
Dirty Harry said:
F*ck me, learn to smile all the time Mario, it seems you have a better chance of avoiding cards if you smile a lot and make happy faces.
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lol, the problem with Mario is that even when he smiles, it's like he's mocking people..he just doesn't seem to have a pleasant expresssion on his face, even when he's happy...
 
moomba said:
I wonder if Webb got to look at numerous slow motion replays before deciding whether he saw it or not. In real time it would be very difficult to call that a red card offence, in slow motion it looks worse.

But should TV be used like that?
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He was strapped down in a room and FORCED to watch it and confess. That is not allowed as the refs word should be final if he saw it (which he did despite his retraction and subsequent lying forced on him by Stalin´s mates on the panel) The media scrum has seen to it that the FA followed this course of action and carpeted Webb
 
Claridge, McGarry and Poll? Idiot, liar and incompetent buffoon. That's one room I'd love to enter furiously and indiscrimately wielding a bicycle chain.
 
shadygiz said:
as i said on another post yesterday, im sick of referees reffing the player reputation rather than the game
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A clear admission that this goes on, shady
As a referee you would keep an eye out for that kind of incident. Youre talking Scott Parker strong tackler, good player coming into Mario Balotelli...as volatile as Pablo de Canio and if you leave them unattended if you are looking for perfection in refereeing that isnt great.
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So basically because Parker is a media/refs favourite, a chirpy cockney boy with a Battle of Britain haircut, and Mario is a foreign guy who doesn't give a shit for these people and has a reputattion, he adm,its refs would already be looking to penalise one rather than the other, before anything has happened.
 
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