Grenfell Tower block disaster

[tshirtman]

They could bring a cruise ship or ferry up the Thames, moor it somewhere around Tower Bridge, St Katherine's dock or London Bridge.

 

[Blue Smarties]

What exactly can be done about it at the moment?

For a start we can get those poor fuckers who have lost everything out of a shitty gym hall into somewhere with a proper bed and wash facilities.

 

[Manchester_lalala]

Lily Allen blaming only the Tories and explaining how she was poor before she was rich which in itself is a lie. The woman is a vile caricature of the champagne socialists who helped displace poor people from the London boroughs.

I honestly hate her.

 

[Dubai Blue]

Woman in white t shirt, "police have blood on their hands"
What's that all about?

There was talk from witnesses of the police pushing people away from the building during the early stages of the fire when there was still plenty of time to help get people out.

Whether it's true or not I don't know. But I imagine that's what she was referring to.

 

[mancityvstoke]

Inept council.......unbelievable

 

[Cheesy]

For a start we can get those poor fuckers who have lost everything out of a shitty gym hall into somewhere with a proper bed and wash facilities.

Yes, I'd agree with that but the reporters at the scene are saying the main grievance is that people want to know who has died. How on earth can the emergency services, let alone the council, provide that information?

 

[Gabriel]

Along with thousands of travellers, I once had the misfortune to be snowed in at a major European airport, yet within four hours two whole terminals had been converted into emergency accommodation, with folding camp beds, blankets, water, and sandwiches distributed to each person. Details were taken and everything was managed by state-organized volunteers. That inconvenience pales into insignificance beside the events we’ve witnessed on these shores in recent weeks, but I use the example to compare how organized some other countries seem to be when faced with emergencies and disasters.

In recent weeks, following the atrocities in Manchester and London, and particularly now following the horror of the fire in Kensington, I’ve been struck by just how disorganized and ad hoc society’s response seems to be to such events. The emergency services (police/fire/medical) are on the scene relatively quickly and do what they have to do, wonderfully too, but I’m talking more about the logistical management in the hours after such events and the immediate assistance we offer people who are evidently in deep distress, be that in delivering them physical aid or counselling.

From what I could see online, the British Red Cross was at the scene of the fire early in the morning with nine volunteers, distributing bottles of water and clothing and food, but where the people would stay that night seemed unclear, and keeping them together so that information could be retrieved about numbers involved and their possible locations in the building seemed impossible.

Other charities, religious organisations, and the general public then stepped into the breach, and the response has been overwhelming. Don’t get me wrong, I love that indomitable British spirit, that idea that a cup of tea and ‘there, there’ is the start to putting things aright, and I would never want us to lose that. But, should it only be thus, or should we expect a response from the State that is professionally managed?

 

[Dubai Blue]

For a start we can get those poor fuckers who have lost everything out of a shitty gym hall into somewhere with a proper bed and wash facilities.

Exactly. Surely can't be difficult to get them into hotels for a few nights til they figure out a longer-term plan.

 

[kaz7]

There was talk from witnesses of the police pushing people away from the building during the early stages of the fire when there was still plenty of time to help get people out.

Whether it's true or not I don't know. But I imagine that's what she was referring to.

The police did the right thing,the emergency services don't need to be rescuing people who run in no matter what good intentions they may have

 

[Dubai Blue]

The police did the right thing,the emergency services don't need to be rescuing people who run in no matter what good intentions they may have

I don't disagree. Was just answering the question that was asked.

 

[TCIB]

I honestly hate her.

Agreed, i really despise her. The government can't say 'maybe this maybe that' they have to be sure. If they started spouting figures prematurely resulting in more grief suffered they would get it in the neck then also.

Emotions are high but before you do anything let your head clear. Mrs May was probably told by security the situation was bad and they could not guarantee her safety if she went around that area. Her being there would probably piss them off more being what i understand to be a labour area.

Either way i feel the political point scoring is very unbecoming of a modern society.

 

[kaz7]

I don't disagree. Was just answering the question that was asked.

Sorry i wasn't having a go at you

 

[The Northern Baptist]

Sounds like part of the frustration of the protestors is the lack of info on the number of ppl in the tower.

Whispers of a cover up in terms of the scale of this disaster already

 

[Manchester_lalala]

Agreed, i really despise her. The government can't say 'maybe this maybe that' they have to be sure. If they started spouting figures prematurely resulting in more grief suffered they would get it in the neck then also.

Emotions are high but before you do anything let your head clear. Mrs May was probably told by security the situation was bad and they could not guarantee her safety if she went around that area. Her being there would probably piss them off more being what i understand to be a labour area.

Either way i feel the political point scoring is very unbecoming of a modern society.

She's trying to score points for corbyn at every single given opportunity, sickening and embarrassing.

 

[Blue Hefner]

Sounds like part of the frustration of the protestors is the lack of info on the number of ppl in the tower.

Whispers of a cover up in terms of the scale of this disaster already

I can't begin to understand what they are going through but what do they realistically expect?

30 deaths have been confirmed with 24(I think) receiving hospital treatment. The unfortunate reality is, the authorities probably don't know how many have died, I imagine there are floors and rooms yet to be searched

As someone else posed, the government/council need to be sure before they releasing numbers of dead/injured

 

[kaz7]

Sounds like part of the frustration of the protestors is the lack of info on the number of ppl in the tower.

Whispers of a cover up in terms of the scale of this disaster already

The fire service have been working around the clock and are searching every flat once they are made safe,they are only half way up the building so far,it cannot be rushed no matter how many people shout conspiracy

 

[mancityvstoke]

This crowd is going to achieve fuck all

 

[mancity1]

70 now confirmed dead or missing.

Loved ones of those know they have perished unfortunately so they know the total.

I suspect the final total will be higher.

 

[inchy14]

This crowd is going to achieve fuck all

Totally agree. The ones trying to kick glass doors in are doing the rest no favours whatsoever. I understand their frustration, Christ I'm frustrated for them, can't believe they're still in a hall, but it needed to be a peaceful but forceful demonstration, a sit in or similar. Kicking off just turns people against them.

 

[mancity1]

Not sure how anybody in the top 4 floors could have survived if told to stay inside their room and did so.

Only those that made a rush for it had any slim chance.