Grenfell Tower block disaster

SpiritofBurnden said:
Eye witness on 5Live saying that the fire was spreading up the outside of the building via the cladding.
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@Blue Maverick posted a video earlier, showing a similar fire, and how quick it can spread. The cladding is added to older blocks for waterproofing and insulation, and there can be a gap between the building and cladding, which then effectively acts like a chimney. Pretty scary when you think how many of these blocks were built in the 60' and 70's and have been clad since.
 
cleavers said:
@Blue Maverick posted a video earlier, showing a similar fire, and how quick it can spread. The cladding is added to older blocks for waterproofing and insulation, and there can be a gap between the building and cladding, which then effectively acts like a chimney. Pretty scary when you think how many of these blocks were built in the 60' and 70's and have been clad since.
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Before I left Manchester there were a load of tower blocks between Castlefield and Whalley Range that had cladding added to them 2010-12 ish I'm sure.

I wouldn't be thrilled if I was an occupant in them today.
 
Pretty sure something nationwide will have to happen with replacing all this stuff. Do we not have expanding foam glue or something that will not leave a gap? let me guess, we do but it is expensive.
 
SWP's back said:
Before I left Manchester there were a load of tower blocks between Castlefield and Whalley Range that had cladding added to them 2010-12 ish I'm sure.

I wouldn't be thrilled if I was an occupant in them today.
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No, and its only being done now because these buildings were inadequately built in the first place, there are hundreds of them across the country, even in relatively small towns.
 
I suspect this chimney-style cladding is similar to all the refurbed flats in Salford, done in the past year or 2?
 
What a horrible thing to happen,i'm surprised it doesn't happen more often
Locals opening their homes up again,people always rally round
 
Echoes of the Lakanal House fire in 2009 following which we had the usual " lessons must be learned" statements but very little was done
 
Dave Ewing's Back 'eader said:
Can't do a subtraction sum yet - those who've got out safely and those who lived in the block. Could be a disastrously high number of fatalities!
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This will confirm the shocking levels of subletting in London too - so many Local Authority homes are not actually lived in by the person named on the rent book. Plenty of the "dead" will be found alive and well in other parts of London and the real dead will be some poor family from Syria or Somalia paying over the odds rent to the supposed real occupant
 
bluethrunthru said:
This will confirm the shocking levels of subletting in London too - so many Local Authority homes are not actually lived in by the person named on the rent book. Plenty of the "dead" will be found alive and well in other parts of London and the real dead will be some poor family from Syria or Somalia paying over the odds rent to the supposed real occupant
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This is how Abedi got the flat near me
 
This wasn't a terrorist incident (or certainly doesn't seem to be) but the risk is that would be terrorists will be watching this and getting ideas. The pressure on councils and private landlords to take preventitive action will be immense. How many tower blocks are there in the UK? What would be a realistic timetable to implement the lessons that must be learned from this?
 
bluethrunthru said:
This will confirm the shocking levels of subletting in London too - so many Local Authority homes are not actually lived in by the person named on the rent book. Plenty of the "dead" will be found alive and well in other parts of London and the real dead will be some poor family from Syria or Somalia paying over the odds rent to the supposed real occupant
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Absolutely the most accurate statement to appear on this thread .
I have worked on the design of several council/private high rise over clads in the UK in the past few years, and I can assure some punters on there that the gap or 'chimney' as it is being inaccurately referred to is key to the design of insulated rainscreen panels. The panels are not 'plastic' but aluminium and designed with a class 0 flame spread. Extremely hard to set fire to. The insulation in the sandwich panels hasn't been 'polystyrene' for many years, and the new PIR fillings are fit for purpose.
i don't know what has gone wrong in this tragedy, and can't speculate. Although i raised an eye at the cause being a faulty exploding fridge???
 
Is it Hotpoint who have been accused of a slow and lazy response to fixing tumble dryers that are known as a fire risk? If so they must be praying like fuck it isn't found one of their machines that has caused this !!!
 
manctheknife said:
Although i raised an eye at the cause being a faulty exploding fridge???
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Lets hope it doesn't turn out to be something more sinister exploding.

It seems, listening to some of the eye witness reports, that the refurb also included some internal work such as installing gas, and new facilities in the flats themselves.
 
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