Guardiola fined £20,000 for wearing yellow ribbon (p140)

[oakiecokie]

You said FA and FIFA and then stood by it three more times.

But as long as you know that he isn't breaking FIFA or UEFA rules now then that's ok.

OK I`m big enough to concede that you are correct in the change of rules within FIFA & UEFA even though initially it was brought in to stop fans from displaying Political material that could be deemed as causing offence and the Clubs being taken to task by both FIFA & UEFA.
However as it stands right now (and I aint the only person on this topic who agrees) that Pep is cutting a very fine line with the FA and their stance on the non freedom of Political messages on the equipment (Kits and vests).
Make no mistake about it,Peps message is one of a Political Statement.
The people who are jailed are basically Political Prisoners, because their of their beliefs rather than any crime they may have committed.

 

[GaudinoMotors]

Wow, this has caused a bit of a stir on here hasn't it?

and not to mention the most tedious wiki search based analysis of human rights.

 

[mcfc64]

Ok, there's talk on the radio 5 now of a touch line ban, would this be next game ?
I don't see Pep backing down on this and the FA have backed themselves into a corner, someone is going to have to give in.
Where do we see this ending ?

 

[blingy]

Ok, there's talk on the radio 5 now of a touch line ban, would this be next game ?
I don't see Pep backing down on this and the FA have backed themselves into a corner, someone is going to have to give in.
Where do we see this ending ?

Probably with pep seeing his arse and wanting to fk off from England.

Why don’t he just wear a yellow scarf pinned in the middle it could act as a fashion accessory and a big fk off ribbon At the same time, every ones a winner

 

[oakiecokie]

Ok, there's talk on the radio 5 now of a touch line ban, would this be next game ?
I don't see Pep backing down on this and the FA have backed themselves into a corner, someone is going to have to give in.
Where do we see this ending ?

I don`t think it can be for the next game as he`s got to respond and no doubt give his views on the charges.
However and this has been my stance from day one with Pep, (as soon as it became known that he had been told by the FA not to breach rules) if it becomes a problem from not being able to do his job from the stands,then it becomes a problem between him and his employers.
As someone else pointed out yesterday,FFS Pep, just cover the damn ribbon up for 2 hours during a game.That still leaves you 166 per week to show your support.

 

[Chippy_boy]

I guess we'll have to wait and see what happens, but for 7 years, Ferguson broke Premier League rules by refusing to do BBC post match interviews.

I wonder if the FA will be as lenient with Pep?

 

[Chippy_boy]

But I have to say, Pep is behaving like a pillock. Here in the UK, the FA make the rules, he knows the rules and he's flaunting the rules. He should stop being an arse and wear the ribbon out of view during match times, or do some other protest.

If it was any other manager at any other club, I think we'd have little sympathy.

 

[Esteban de la Sexface]

Our constitution doesn't cause problems as we're perfectly happy to amend it as needed.

we amend it but nobody pays any attention to it.. Directive principles of Social Policy

• The state must prevent a destructive concentration of essential commodities in the hands of a few.

Denis O'Brien and Uisce Eireann!!

 

[sir baconface]

Probably with pep seeing his arse and wanting to fk off from England.

Why don’t he just wear a yellow scarf pinned in the middle it could act as a fashion accessory and a big fk off ribbon At the same time, every ones a winner

I like this. The best way to piss off procedure junkies is to play them at their own game.

 

[geoff clipp]

Good point.

Knowing the FA, I suspect there is some other motive here. Whether they have been put under pressure by the Spanish FA and need a favour off them or something, I'm sure there's more than meets the eye.

The rainbow laces campaign is another campaign that the FA support, that they would argue is non-political.

Let me just say, I completely support the rainbow laces campaign and I'm sure most sensible minded people do. But I am sure there are people on the fringes who because of their extreme political / religious beliefs, don't support the campaign.

It's a similar situation with Pep's yellow ribbon for me. Pep has said he is wearing it in a peaceful, respectful way supporting the right to free speech and self-determination. Similar to LGBT rights, I wouldn't really call those political beliefs, they're just the beliefs of all sensible minded people.

The FA are on very tricky ground if they start trying to determine what counts as a political view and what doesn't. The poppy, rainbow laces and yellow ribbon all fall in to the same category for me. They are peaceful, humanistic symbols which aren't intended to be offensive to anyone. I'm supportive of them all being promoted in football.

But if the FA try to ban the yellow ribbon, they're in grave danger of opening a can of worms for themselves, it looks very hypocritical.

I agree with all of this. I think the FA, as per usual, thought they could just throw their weight around a bit and everyone would shut up and do as they were told.

I think they probably felt the need to do something when Mourinho first threw the spotlight on it. At this point it might have made sense to look at their own actions with regard to the poppy, consider their position on rainbow laces and use this as an opportunity to bring themselves into line FIFA/UEFA.

All they needed was to be seen to have looked at it or done something. If they'd said "yes we've looked into it and given we have recently made exceptions and our intentions to bring our rules closer to those of FIFA, in this instance there will no further action", then it would have been fine.

Typically, they've not thought this through and have now opened a can of worms that if it isn't handled correctly could spiral out of control. Looks like Pep isn't going to back down though (I don't really think he can tbh) and the FA will need to find a way of making this go away as quietly as possible.

Whatever the agenda-ists on here think, I find it very hard to believe that the FA wants to see the top manager of the top club banished to the stands over this. It isn't a great advert for the league.

I know nothing about law but it sort of looks like the FA are skating on thin ice here. They've set a precedent of their own with the poppy here and hopefully part of Pep's failure to budge is due to our legal people saying they can take care of this.