Happy St Patrick's Day

[chaddblue]

On it’s own,it’s a little mild for me.
A shot of whiskey in it, just jizzes it up a bit.

I hope you mean jazzes it up?!?!

 

[mancity2012_eamo]

I hope you mean jazzes it up?!?!

Might mean something different over here.. Jazzes if you please.

 

[-dabz-]

A. Did anyone ask you to?
B. How many "ordinary" English folk celebrate April 23rd? I spent my first 20 years in Manchester, and I don't ever remember any big celebrations marking the day. Which is a shame. It should be marked in some way.

Total shame. But that said, it's a tradition that never happened. To start now would just be a bit wank and pointless.
I envy the national pride and traditions of the Welsh, Irish, and Scots. We only seem to form an identity when England are playing, or the Royals have one of their gigs on, otherwise we have fuck all..
No national dress, the national dish is either chicken tikka masala (invented by Indians in Scotland) or fish and chips (jewish). The national anthem is just a hymn to the royals.. The full English was given to us by an American in the fifties by the same guy who convinced women to smoke... Then there's the fucking war...That's it! All crap.
Fucking pancake day is as good as it gets for us...
I see myself as a Brit more than English anyway because I have Welsh and Scots heritage as well as a ton of English..We all do.
Hope you had a good day and got to punch anyone wearing a ginger wig....You're allowed to because that's racist that ...:O)

Almost forgot...Bonfire Night...Why do we burn old Guido?...He should be carried on peoples shoulders, held aloft as a hero and marched past town halls and government buildings with everyone carrying burning torches. Then we could have a huge bonfire, throwing on a mock up of any politician that had pissed us off the most that year.. And we could all eat roast beef and English mustard and get pissed on cyser and mead.... Then piss on the fire to end the night.
I'm up for that..

 

[Deleted member 77198]

On it’s own,it’s a little mild for me.
A shot of whiskey in it, just jizzes it up a bit.

It what?!

 

[Deleted member 77198]

A. Did anyone ask you to?
B. How many "ordinary" English folk celebrate April 23rd? I spent my first 20 years in Manchester, and I don't ever remember any big celebrations marking the day. Which is a shame. It should be marked in some way.

That’s because the patron saint of England is Edmund. His feast day is 20th November.

George was made as England’s patron saint about 500 years later with Edmund being suppressed. George was never really taken on board by the population, only the Knights celebrated him.

Therefore the English people never celebrate a Saints Day…

 

[Deleted member 77198]

Total shame. But that said, it's a tradition that never happened. To start now would just be a bit wank and pointless.
I envy the national pride and traditions of the Welsh, Irish, and Scots. We only seem to form an identity when England are playing, or the Royals have one of their gigs on, otherwise we have fuck all..
No national dress, the national dish is either chicken tikka masala (invented by Indians in Scotland) or fish and chips (jewish). The national anthem is just a hymn to the royals.. The full English was given to us by an American in the fifties by the same guy who convinced women to smoke... Then there's the fucking war...That's it! All crap.
Fucking pancake day is as good as it gets for us...
I see myself as a Brit more than English anyway because I have Welsh and Scots heritage as well as a ton of English..We all do.
Hope you had a good day and got to punch anyone wearing a ginger wig....You're allowed to because that's racist that ...:O)

Almost forgot...Bonfire Night...Why do we burn old Guido?...He should be carried on peoples shoulders, held aloft as a hero and marched past town halls and government buildings with everyone carrying burning torches. Then we could have a huge bonfire, throwing on a mock up of any politician that had pissed us off the most that year.. And we could all eat roast beef and English mustard and get pissed on cyser and mead.... Then piss on the fire to end the night.
I'm up for that..

Unless any of us live in rural East Anglia or Kent it’s unlikely any of us are English. And it’s still unlikely many of them are. We likely have some Angle, Saxon, Frisian, Jute (as well as Norse and Norman other genes from other invading or migrating parties) genes in there somewhere, but most of us are mainly Native Britons. DNA tests are increasingly showing that most of us have genes from this island that pre-date the “Anglo-Saxon” migration.

None of the invaders or migrators displaced the original population. That goes for Celts as well in the wider British Isles sense. Irish, Scottish, Welsh and Cornish people are not and never have been Celtic. Culturally they were/are Celtic in the same way that American culture gets appropriated into our society today. Their language, clothing and art work was Celtic but there was never a Celtic invasion or migration into the British Isles. It was Celtic culture that spread from the Apls region around Northern Europe. And for the few that might have come (there will have been some), they never made an impact on the populations’ genes and certainly never displaced them.

There’s not really any such thing as England, Wales or Scotland. English, Welsh and Scots are just languages, not ethnicities. And the “countries”, that the made up lines on a map signify, don’t hold any bearing to any differences in the people. There is a greater difference between North and South Welsh genes than there is English and Scottish. And we’re all very close to the point we are all Britons anyway. Irish are barely different to Britons neither. Britons and Irish have been migrating to and from each other’s islands for as far back as we can find history on both islands. Take the Brigantes who were from our area here in Northern England; they also had a Kingdom in Ireland. We shared the same culture then with stone circles and henges, and genealogically now we are all very closely clustered together as a North-Western European genealogical group to the point that we can almost all just be seen as British Isleans. The Irish are slightly more different to us Britons though, so possibly we’d be seen as Brittonic and Irish. But certainly not English, Welsh, Scottish, and Irish.

So when you say you see yourself as a Brit more than English, it’s not because you have Welsh and Scots heritage. It’s because we are Brittonic/British. I’m mainly “English” (with some Polish thrown in) but I see myself as British because I am British. And the country I come from is the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, it’s not the United Kingdom of England Wales Scotland and Northern Ireland.

 

[-dabz-]

Unless any of us live in rural East Anglia or Kent it’s unlikely any of us are English. And it’s still unlikely many of them are. We likely have some Angle, Saxon, Frisian, Jute (as well as Norse and Norman other genes from other invading or migrating parties) genes in there somewhere, but most of us are mainly Native Britons. DNA tests are increasingly showing that most of us have genes from this island that pre-date the “Anglo-Saxon” migration.

None of the invaders or migrators displaced the original population. That goes for Celts as well in the wider British Isles sense. Irish, Scottish, Welsh and Cornish people are not and never have been Celtic. Culturally they were/are Celtic in the same way that American culture gets appropriated into our society today. Their language, clothing and art work was Celtic but there was never a Celtic invasion or migration into the British Isles. It was Celtic culture that spread from the Apls region around Northern Europe. And for the few that might have come (there will have been some), they never made an impact on the populations’ genes and certainly never displaced them.

There’s not really any such thing as England, Wales or Scotland. English, Welsh and Scots are just languages, not ethnicities. And the “countries”, that the made up lines on a map signify, don’t hold any bearing to any differences in the people. There is a greater difference between North and South Welsh genes than there is English and Scottish. And we’re all very close to the point we are all Britons anyway. Irish are barely different to Britons neither. Britons and Irish have been migrating to and from each other’s islands for as far back as we can find history on both islands. Take the Brigantes who were from our area here in Northern England; they also had a Kingdom in Ireland. We shared the same culture then with stone circles and henges, and genealogically now we are all very closely clustered together as a North-Western European genealogical group to the point that we can almost all just be seen as British Isleans. The Irish are slightly more different to us Britons though, so possibly we’d be seen as Brittonic and Irish. But certainly not English, Welsh, Scottish, and Irish.

So when you say you see yourself as a Brit more than English, it’s not because you have Welsh and Scots heritage. It’s because we are Brittonic/British. I’m mainly “English” (with some Polish thrown in) but I see myself as British because I am British. And the country I come from is the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, it’s not the United Kingdom of England Wales Scotland and Northern Ireland.

I think you misunderstood me. That was entirely my point, genetically we are a soup. I refer to myself as a Brit for purely geographic reasons, not genetics. Totally agree with everything else you said though.

 

[-dabz-]

That’s because the patron saint of England is Edmund. His feast day is 20th November.

George was made as England’s patron saint about 500 years later with Edmund being suppressed. George was never really taken on board by the population, only the Knights celebrated him.

Therefore the English people never celebrate a Saints Day…

Never knew that. I'm really into local and British history and have never heard of that. Cheers! You learn something new every day.